Re: Solid State or Tube preamp?

by wingman on Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:28 pm

Landy....

You are one hot

who has tremendous feel of most of the equipment.

Its a welcome opinion from the opposite side of the gender.

Cheers

by tlkoo on Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:39 pm

i still could not believe that we have a rose...
ok ok... i'm self-entrusted to verify in person ha...

warm welcome to landy!

wingman wrote:Landy....

You are one hot who has tremendous feel of most of the equipment.

Its a welcome opinion from the opposite side of the gender.

Cheers

by wabun on Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:56 pm

Well, there was one time I went to a friend's place for music practice and he had a pair of Tannoy Wesminsters tucked away in each corner of his livingroom. His Audionote Conquerers were out of commission because they blew a valve or something so in place of the Audionote was an inexpensive Dared VP16. 16watts maybe? I really don't know. But I must say I was impressed with the combination. Tonal accuracy aside, the combo was able to deliver realistic bass without bloom or boom and uncoloured midrange. Quite the opposite of my impression on valve gear and very modern sounding. Of course I wasn't truely satisfied with the performance but to rate it, i'd give it 4 out of 5 stars. So, coincidently this also answers the questions on Dared that some of you are asking.

wow..Tannoy Wesminsters singing with uncoloured midrange ?
quite a surprise. Normally good vocal speaker such as LS3/5A, impres the listener by adding "color" to the vocal..modern stuff which reproduce audio frequency faithfully only sing without ajinomoto, clean and clear like a cup of RO water - but tasteless for some ear.

by Landy on Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:29 pm

So, to uncolour the coloured, that could mean the Dared is overly lean then???

by Landy on Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:44 pm

tlkoo wrote:i still could not believe that we have a rose...
ok ok... i'm self-entrusted to verify in person ha...

warm welcome to landy!

wingman wrote:Landy....

You are one hot who has tremendous feel of most of the equipment.

Its a welcome opinion from the opposite side of the gender.

Cheers

TLKoo, you want to meet up to verify? Ok, if you can hammer down Chopin's Polonaise-Fantaisie Op.61 in all it's intended splendour at my chosen time and venue, then i'll buy you a latte and you can make a trip up Penang to visit my friend with the Wesminsters and to my family house to have a go at the Levinsons.

by Landy on Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:46 pm

wingman wrote:Landy....

You are one hot who has tremendous feel of most of the equipment.

Its a welcome opinion from the opposite side of the gender.

Cheers

So, i'm one hot tomato to you izzit?

by teleman51 on Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:59 pm

Landy,

Hot tomato, hot potato, I donno la!
Maybe ah, you put a pic of yourself standing next to
the MLs may well make wingman happy, putting all fear
of veggies to rest.

Me, I'll be brutally honest and just will just say I'm dying
to see what this rose looks looks like.

cheers & shalom
teleman51

by noodle88 on Thu Mar 11, 2010 6:26 pm

Wabun,

westminster sound coloured??

For u maybe....

I don't find it coloured bcause I don't use chopping board preamp to drive my amp...

by Landy on Thu Mar 11, 2010 6:37 pm

What's a chopping board preamp? Any of you dudes care to elaborate???

by Landy on Thu Mar 11, 2010 6:41 pm

teleman51 wrote:Landy,

Hot tomato, hot potato, I donno la!
Maybe ah, you put a pic of yourself standing next to
the MLs may well make wingman happy, putting all fear
of veggies to rest.

Me, I'll be brutally honest and just will just say I'm dying
to see what this rose looks looks like.

cheers & shalom
teleman51

Hey uncle, i'm not for show ok. How bout wingman pin down his wings and eat more veggies. Too much meat in your diet making you guys hormonal lah. Uncle, put that overdrive of yours back into that marshal or mesa boogie where it belongs will ya!

by Landy on Thu Mar 11, 2010 7:01 pm

Anyway, solid state, valve, hybrid, whatever, I hereby declare that nothing ever sounded better to my ears than my late uncle's Bösendorfer. No Krell, Audio Research, DCS, Mark Levinson, Goldmund, Grand Utopia, German Physic, YG Anat, nothing and I mean nothing comes close.

Hmmm... Maybe that Grand Utopia did actually come quite close. But still not within a 1/4 mile! tongue

by teleman51 on Thu Mar 11, 2010 7:04 pm

azri,
No,sadly I do not listen any of those.
My music is mostly Bread,CCR and other 70's oldies.

As far as the new stuff goes, I'm madly in love with my
Stacey Kent albums.

12au7 is a low mu preamp tube,so what is the pwer tube here as you wrote?

So what are we talking here azri ?

cheers & shalom
teleman51

by wingman on Thu Mar 11, 2010 7:05 pm

Landy....

It's a complement that i was giving to your goodself, in short well versed.... lets not take it any further then a complement. Sorry that you took it in the wrong direction.......

Back to the Dared....

Getting the Yaqin Buffer in between the AMP & CDP has made lots of difference; the music is "refined but not polished ".

I did audition the "Dared VP 16 (push pull ) - 18 Watter" tube amp ( overall -6 tubes )hooked up to a Marantz CDP and Wharfedale 9.2 speakers.

The initial was a bit laid back but as the tubes got warmer, vocals were nimble / to the fore, piano / saxophone was at the mid level and the bass was tight and controlled. Everything was clear and not over powering or supressing.

Changing the stock "tubes" could bring this a notch or two up.

cheers

by Landy on Thu Mar 11, 2010 7:14 pm

Anybody tried the Synthesis Flame? It's got a spanking red tomato paintjob, EL34 X4, 12AU7X4 in Class A configuration. Best of all, it's got a remote control!

by teleman51 on Thu Mar 11, 2010 7:20 pm

Landy,
my apologies.
Uncle was just simply being cheeky

Now you've already gone and called me "uncle"

My tones on my guitar amps have never seen overdrive though.
Clean bell like notes are always what I'm after.
My '63 Bandmaster sings those notes for me sweetly,
together with my '70 telecaster.

That being said, s/state guitar amps never really made history as
far as I know.
Only one I'd make an exception to here is the Roland Jazz Chorus (2x12), the ones made in Japan.
However, I do come across plenty of junked s/state guitar amps.

cheers & shalom
teleman51

by tlkoo on Thu Mar 11, 2010 7:32 pm

very furious

i give up

have fun sharing some thoughts in this music reproduction pursuit ya!

regards

Landy wrote:
tlkoo wrote:i still could not believe that we have a rose...
ok ok... i'm self-entrusted to verify in person ha...

warm welcome to landy!

wingman wrote:Landy....

You are one hot who has tremendous feel of most of the equipment.

Its a welcome opinion from the opposite side of the gender.

Cheers

TLKoo, you want to meet up to verify? Ok, if you can hammer down Chopin's Polonaise-Fantaisie Op.61 in all it's intended splendour at my chosen time and venue, then i'll buy you a latte and you can make a trip up Penang to visit my friend with the Wesminsters and to my family house to have a go at the Levinsons.

by azri on Thu Mar 11, 2010 8:02 pm

aaa.. ol man that has almost same taste as my dad.. exclude stacey kent of course.. idris is nowhere new not even 90s.. his from 60s, 70s till mid 80s la uncle teleman What a Face

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/IDRIS-MUHAMMAD-YOU-AINT-NO-FRIEND-OF-MINE-inc-THE-DOC_W0QQitemZ370274041765QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Records?hash=item56360d7fa5#ht_3032wt_732

u may want to justify your tube characteristic for pre.. to me 12au7 works fine!

by teleman51 on Fri Mar 12, 2010 12:33 am

azri,

that idris mahmud ah. Tell la.
But I am not a 'real' jazz fan.Only when the mood hits me la.

Stacey kent is about the only new jazz singer other than Eva Cassidy, Emi Fujita that I listen to
I used to think that Karen Carpenter will be the only female singer
I would want to listen to.
But times marches on.
"ol man", maybe I am, tapi jangan la panggil sampai macam tu.

Senior gentleman, more refined way of calling me.
We all respect one another here on the forum okay.

cheers & shalom
teleman51

by Landy on Fri Mar 12, 2010 8:22 am

teleman51 wrote:Landy,
my apologies.
Uncle was just simply being cheeky
Now you've already gone and called me "uncle"

My tones on my guitar amps have never seen overdrive though.
Clean bell like notes are always what I'm after.
My '63 Bandmaster sings those notes for me sweetly,
together with my '70 telecaster.

That being said, s/state guitar amps never really made history as
far as I know.

Only one I'd make an exception to here is the Roland Jazz Chorus (2x12), the ones made in Japan.
However, I do come across plenty of junked s/state guitar amps.

cheers & shalom
teleman51

Hey Mister Teleman, what's with the apologies??? It's not necessary at all. I was being cheeky too. Where's the fun in being so serious??? You can call me aunty if you like Very Happy

I do have nephews and nieces you know. It's a big family.

I guess in every internet forum, sub cultures and sensitivities exists and I need to observe and learn the culture here before I thread further with my bezerko style of banter. I may have brushed a few sensitive nerves here and there but not you I hope Mr. Teleman. Razz

by Landy on Fri Mar 12, 2010 8:27 am

tlkoo wrote:very furious i give up

have fun sharing some thoughts in this music reproduction pursuit ya!

regards

Landy wrote:
tlkoo wrote:i still could not believe that we have a rose...
ok ok... i'm self-entrusted to verify in person ha...

warm welcome to landy!

wingman wrote:Landy....

You are one hot who has tremendous feel of most of the equipment.

Its a welcome opinion from the opposite side of the gender.

Cheers

TLKoo, you want to meet up to verify? Ok, if you can hammer down Chopin's Polonaise-Fantaisie Op.61 in all it's intended splendour at my chosen time and venue, then i'll buy you a latte and you can make a trip up Penang to visit my friend with the Wesminsters and to my family house to have a go at the Levinsons.

Very furious? You give up? Hmmm... Reminds me of a certain Mr. Bimmerman who just left us Razz

You're not going to leave us now are you?

by sswong3374 on Fri Mar 12, 2010 9:02 am

teleman51 wrote:Landy,

Hot tomato, hot potato, I donno la!
Maybe ah, you put a pic of yourself standing next to
the MLs may well make wingman happy, putting all fear
of veggies to rest.

Me, I'll be brutally honest and just will just say I'm dying
to see what this rose looks looks like.

cheers & shalom
teleman51

Better don't! Leave us some space of imagination.....don't spoil the good image

by wabun on Fri Mar 12, 2010 9:03 am

Landy,

you are hot topic now..everybody talking bout you. rarely to find lady active in hifi stuff, you are dark rose among the red..haha
good.

Noodle88,

my chopping board preamp has coloration, when I design my pre, this is one of my intention to do so. I like the odd harmonics distortion in my music.

by tlkoo on Fri Mar 12, 2010 9:56 am

i just need some space to say a few words sometimes

not give up music enjoyment, but "verification"

that said, i am still darn curious to see any lady in hifi action, the imagination runs just wild...

Landy wrote:
tlkoo wrote:very furious i give up

have fun sharing some thoughts in this music reproduction pursuit ya!

regards

Landy wrote:
tlkoo wrote:i still could not believe that we have a rose...
ok ok... i'm self-entrusted to verify in person ha...

warm welcome to landy!

wingman wrote:Landy....

You are one hot who has tremendous feel of most of the equipment.

Its a welcome opinion from the opposite side of the gender.

Cheers

TLKoo, you want to meet up to verify? Ok, if you can hammer down Chopin's Polonaise-Fantaisie Op.61 in all it's intended splendour at my chosen time and venue, then i'll buy you a latte and you can make a trip up Penang to visit my friend with the Wesminsters and to my family house to have a go at the Levinsons.

Very furious? You give up? Hmmm... Reminds me of a certain Mr. Bimmerman who just left us You're not going to leave us now are you?

by sswong3374 on Fri Mar 12, 2010 10:13 am

wabun wrote:Landy,

you are hot topic now..everybody talking bout you. rarely to find lady active in hifi stuff, you are dark rose among the red..haha
good.

Noodle88,

my chopping board preamp has coloration, when I design my pre, this is one of my intention to do so. I like the odd harmonics distortion in my music.

wabun,
U like the odd HD or even HD??? I thought the even HD e.g 2nd HD is what people like as it may create soem comfortable feeling.....
Anyway i'm like u, i do like some nice coloration....

by **bassraptor** on Fri Mar 12, 2010 10:41 am

The human ear generally craves distortion of some form. It makes some truths easier to accept ...

And the male senses usually go into overdrive at the sight of a female ... as appears to be the case over the last few postings!

by mugenfoo on Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:00 am

huh ? got any sight of any female here meh??? ... Mebbe my macbook screen is kaput ... bad pixels or something...

The only female pict (but not 100% sure, could be a HeeShie or Tranny ) is the one Vince (VS126) put for his profile picture ... and real ugly buns too (just IMO) ! Razz

by **bassraptor** on Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:19 am

Perhaps I should have said "sniff" ...

by wabun on Fri Mar 12, 2010 12:22 pm

wabun,
U like the odd HD or even HD??? I thought the even HD e.g 2nd HD is what people like as it may create soem comfortable feeling.....
Anyway i'm like u, i do like some nice coloration....

My mistake, it is even harmonic

by Landy on Fri Mar 12, 2010 2:59 pm

wabun wrote:
wabun,
U like the odd HD or even HD??? I thought the even HD e.g 2nd HD is what people like as it may create soem comfortable feeling.....
Anyway i'm like u, i do like some nice coloration....

My mistake, it is even harmonic

Wabun, would you care to enlighten me pretty please. I've heard the chopping board preamp being mentioned a few times already and I have not the faintest idea what it is. What is a chopping board preamp?

by zeebee on Fri Mar 12, 2010 3:22 pm

Landy wrote:
wabun wrote:
wabun,
U like the odd HD or even HD??? I thought the even HD e.g 2nd HD is what people like as it may create soem comfortable feeling.....
Anyway i'm like u, i do like some nice coloration....

My mistake, it is even harmonic

Wabun, would you care to enlighten me pretty please. I've heard the chopping board preamp being mentioned a few times already and I have not the faintest idea what it is. What is a chopping board preamp?

Ms Landy,

The amp or rather pre-amp is a creation of Mr Wabun which was reviewed in the local rag a couple months back. Perhaps you could google for 'Jumpan' or look up The Star audio review..

Cheers,

zb Very Happy

by drife on Fri Mar 12, 2010 3:29 pm

a psychadelic induction cooker whereby we can chop veges on top while its cooking music. joking... its wabun's child... and the separation is 1st class in its price category. On the little eico blocks and olskool jensens, Mangers was there in the attic. Right or not Mr. Panlabs?

by drife on Fri Mar 12, 2010 3:37 pm

i think the preamp might sound good on krell monos. separation, dynamics, warmth, speed...The best of both worlds. hmm... i think i better stop here. Its like pouring more kerosene on fire. Coz then the amp might catch fire in hondas, or even worse, the hondas might accidentally roll over these amps, again : )

by Landy on Fri Mar 12, 2010 4:23 pm

Thanks guys, I get it now. Jumpan meaning chopping block in cantonese, hakka and hokkien.

Wah, cleverlah Mr. Wabun. Perhaps can sell your schemitics to Mr. Pass of Pass Labs or Mr. Mark Cello Levinson or Danny D'agostino and make a few million greenbacks no? Wink

by wabun on Fri Mar 12, 2010 5:57 pm

judge with your ear. I can always loan you a unit for test out.

by noodle88 on Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:25 pm

Coloured preamp? No thank you!!

I tough preamp should be sounded as fast n neutral as posible, and not with colour...

by tlkoo on Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:31 pm

you thought wrongly

as individual tastes could be different!!!

to me, no colour, no fun

that said my preamp is neutral sounding as colours come from different points along the chain

cheers

noodle88 wrote:Coloured preamp? No thank you!!

I tough preamp should be sounded as fast n neutral as posible, and not with colour...

by tlkoo on Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:34 pm

wabun wrote:judge with your ear. I can always loan you a unit for test out.

oh good, wabun can help verify...

have fun!

by teleman51 on Fri Mar 12, 2010 8:22 pm

[quote="tlkoo"]you thought wrongly

as individual tastes could be different!!!

to me, no colour, no fun

that said my preamp is neutral sounding as colours come from different points along the chain

Me,
I like plenty of knobs so I can color as much as my heart pleases.
Bass knob,treble knob, balance knob, high cut, low cut,
high boost, low boost,loudness, etc...........

Call me old school, but it's something I grew up with.

So all those old Sansuis,Pioneers and Marantz integrated amps always look ssooooooooo attractive to me

Cheers & shalom
teleman51

by cmboy on Fri Mar 12, 2010 8:30 pm

teleman51 wrote:I like plenty of knobs so I can color as much as my heart pleases.
Bass knob,treble knob, balance knob, high cut, low cut,
high boost, low boost,loudness, etc...........

I fancied them too, more knobs the merrier..until a point in time when simplicity is really all I needed.

by teleman51 on Fri Mar 12, 2010 8:40 pm

cmboy,

Sadly, I was enjoying my 1974 Luxman Integrated until recently when it gave up the ghost on me.

I'll really miss her with that fabulous Luxman warmth.
Not to mention the all wood casing, knobs and lever switches everywhere.

Guess I never really grew up.Sigggggh!

cheers,
teleman51

by cmboy on Fri Mar 12, 2010 8:42 pm

Never mind, you have that Leak ST20 to entertain you. Very Happy

by azri on Sat Mar 13, 2010 7:35 pm

i used to love the knobs, but now im over it!!

by cmboy on Sat Mar 13, 2010 7:44 pm

Knobs never mind. Some remote controls like with AV receivers can be daunting and more complicated than a scientific calculator till you read up the instruction manual.