Cable lifters/elevators

Has anyone played with these? Worth the hassle and additional financial outlay?

Try shunyata dark field really not bad. but don't put too much。

kkthen wrote:Try shunyata dark field really not bad. but don't put too much。

What do u mean by "really not bad"?

I've tried the Telos cable lifters @rm550 per piece and u going to need 6 pieces!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It sure works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


What's the rationale behind the use? 1st, static builds up around the cables, whether it's without any cable lifters or already using cable lifters! The very 1st time cable lifters are used, the moment the cables are disturbed the statics and nasties (we may not know what other disturbances there are besides statics) are discharged and the cable lifters work just fine, be it foam type, wood type or even exotic materials! It's when u want to AB and AB a few more times during the same listening sessions that u will find the effect is just imagined! Subsequent AB will not bring any effects as the statics are already being discharged! Try an AB comparison few weeks from now, and u will hear the big big differences, again for the 1st time only!!!!!! No second chance at it!


So what's the big differences between exotic materials that cost an arm and a leg, compared with diyed cardboard, foam type? The difference is the static build up is slow with the expensive boutique type and probably tunable too to get the desired results. And if u have forgotten to discharge those statics as in the case of diyed types, this won't happen to the boutique design ones! But u pay thru your nose la! So again u got a choice of how to splash your $$$$!

There are some review of shunyata darkfield & Elite acoustic msi from desirableaudio.blogspot.com. Shunyata darkfield should better than none, it will make system background become darker & brought about a new level of imaging focus to the overall sonic picture, but it also add some characteristic to your system. So you can not put too much. The reviewer prefer the elite acoustic more than dark field in the end. But the cost of elite acoustic is far more expensive than darkfield.

http://desirableaudio.blogspot.com/2009/07/elevated-tales-shunyata-darkfield-vs.html

Hi Uncle_Vic,

The price sure seems outrageous! My speaker cables only cost RM3.8k for a 10m set (5 m per side) but I'm going to have to splurge >3K on lifters alone. Big Ouch!

[quote="kkthen"]There are some review of shunyata darkfield & Elite acoustic msi from desirableaudio.blogspot.com. Shunyata darkfield should better than none, it will make system background become darker & brought about a new level of imaging focus to the overall sonic picture, but it also add some characteristic to your system. So you can not put too much. The reviewer prefer the elite acoustic more than dark field in the end. But the cost of elite acoustic is far more expensive than darkfield.

http://desirableaudio.blogspot.com/2009/07/elevated-tales-shunyata-darkfield-vs.html[/quote]

Hi KK Then,

I have read a lot of reviews already but however the intention of post is to ask if any members have used the elevators personally and to share their personal experience and views. Not looking for blog or editorial reviews.

I HAVE TRIED MANY OVER THE YEARS...

To me the best have to be Acostic revive versions.Superb increase in low level details,and it is very obvious in trerm i of its increament.

Shunyata Dark Field? Well ,it can has the opposite effect in some systems,especially tube based.You must audition them carefully,and see whether iotb is really beneficial for you.

another one that I could recommend is the Weizhi cable elevators.The effect is not as dramatic as the acoustic revive ones,but it has always been positive with almost zero trade off

tin wrote:I HAVE TRIED MANY OVER THE YEARS...

To me the best have to be Acostic revive versions.Superb increase in low level details,and it is very obvious in trerm i of its increament.

Shunyata Dark Field? Well ,it can has the opposite effect in some systems,especially tube based.You must audition them carefully,and see whether iotb is really beneficial for you.

another one that I could recommend is the Weizhi cable elevators.The effect is not as dramatic as the acoustic revive ones,but it has always been positive with almost zero trade off

Thanks for the valuable inputs Tin. Do the local dealers of Acoustic Revive and Weizhi offer home auditions of cable elevators? Who are the local dealers btw?

HI llsaw, I am using the amcorp mall ATS cheap wood elevator. Even though the effect of shunyata darkfield is better than my wood elevator, but i don't want invest too much at this tweak. So even ats cheap wood elevator is removed, I can not enjoy my system any more. The conclusion is cable elevator will benefit our system, if you use it in right way.

better to invest in good cable than this tweak. may be your system is already very high end then you can hear big differences with small tweak like this. i think the price they charge for a small piece of wood or foam or whatever exotic material is too outrageous.

same goes to the resonator which is highly rated by some megazines. To charge over rm 1k for a piece of bronze and wood is too much. I have a mechanic friend who clone the resonators. they will improve the sound too if you hang them in the room. whether there is big differences between the ori and the clone one i dont know. but no harm trying the clone one as they cause less than rm 20. dont bother to try the ori one because i feel guilty spending so much on tweak like that.

Me thinks with the cable elevators, the benefits are easier to clean the floor or carpet or the cables.

Lamkochai wrote:better to invest in good cable than this tweak. may be your system is already very high end then you can hear big differences with small tweak like this. i think the price they charge for a small piece of wood or foam or whatever exotic material is too outrageous.

same goes to the resonator which is highly rated by some megazines. To charge over rm 1k for a piece of bronze and wood is too much. I have a mechanic friend who clone the resonators. they will improve the sound too if you hang them in the room. whether there is big differences between the ori and the clone one i dont know. but no harm trying the clone one as they cause less than rm 20. dont bother to try the ori one because i feel guilty spending so much on tweak like that.

Fully agreed. Small and simple material costs that much, come on, I feel stupid to spend $ that way.

agree with the above too
I think the cable elevators are amongst the final touches you put once your system has been optimised..in a well set up system the effect can be quite dramatics
As far as I know ,The Weinzhi is not available in Malaysia.I bought my AR cable elevators In Japan,but I believe happy audio in Penang do carry them....
I use 3 lifters per cable,the investment do seem substantial ,but quite small as a percentage of my overall system cost,The effecta though are positively astounding

Lamkochai wrote:better to invest in good cable than this tweak. may be your system is already very high end then you can hear big differences with small tweak like this. i think the price they charge for a small piece of wood or foam or whatever exotic material is too outrageous.

same goes to the resonator which is highly rated by some megazines. To charge over rm 1k for a piece of bronze and wood is too much. I have a mechanic friend who clone the resonators. they will improve the sound too if you hang them in the room. whether there is big differences between the ori and the clone one i dont know. but no harm trying the clone one as they cause less than rm 20. dont bother to try the ori one because i feel guilty spending so much on tweak like that.

I tried the very expensive (to me) Finite Elemente resonator and my findings were not too positive. On my system with the Resonator in place on top of my amp the sound quality took on a strange effect. The sound became smoother but it was like the soundstage had moved backwards. Without the resonator I was in the first 3 rows of a concert hall but with it I had move 20 rows back. My verdict = save your money. There was a difference in sound quality but for the worse unfortunately for me. Perhaps there might be positive benefits with more tweaking on the placement but I honestly couldn't be bothered at this point when more gains can be had elsewhere for the money one would have to splurge on the FE Resonator.

tin wrote:agree with the above too
I think the cable elevators are amongst the final touches you put once your system has been optimised..in a well set up system the effect can be quite dramatics
As far as I know ,The Weinzhi is not available in Malaysia.I bought my AR cable elevators In Japan,but I believe happy audio in Penang do carry them....
I use 3 lifters per cable,the investment do seem substantial ,but quite small as a percentage of my overall system cost,The effecta though are positively astounding

Thanks Tin. Been thinking to checkout this Happy Audio place sometime and will do so one of these days.

car o scope wrote:Me thinks with the cable elevators, the benefits are easier to clean the floor or carpet or the cables.

Yes. That sure is one "benefit"

What statics on the cables are you referring to ? Did you arm hairs stand when put them close to your speaker cables ?

How are the statics "discharged" by lifting the cables up ? Discharge to where?

And how did the static build up in the first place ? ? Did u go and "rub rub rub" the cables or something ? Or is it that the static just build up by itself from thin air?

uncle_vic wrote:I've tried the Telos cable lifters @rm550 per piece and u going to need 6 pieces!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It sure works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


What's the rationale behind the use? 1st, static builds up around the cables, whether it's without any cable lifters or already using cable lifters! The very 1st time cable lifters are used, the moment the cables are disturbed the statics and nasties (we may not know what other disturbances there are besides statics) are discharged and the cable lifters work just fine, be it foam type, wood type or even exotic materials! It's when u want to AB and AB a few more times during the same listening sessions that u will find the effect is just imagined! Subsequent AB will not bring any effects as the statics are already being discharged! Try an AB comparison few weeks from now, and u will hear the big big differences, again for the 1st time only!!!!!! No second chance at it!


So what's the big differences between exotic materials that cost an arm and a leg, compared with diyed cardboard, foam type? The difference is the static build up is slow with the expensive boutique type and probably tunable too to get the desired results. And if u have forgotten to discharge those statics as in the case of diyed types, this won't happen to the boutique design ones! But u pay thru your nose la! So again u got a choice of how to splash your $$$$!

So it can't be static then. Can it be those lifters acting as suspension devices damping away vebrations? More plausible methinks.

its like having sex on stand-up position, when u 'elevate' your partner, thing gets more interesting

Huh??

Gee Azri, you should consider doing standup. Surely you can think of better things to do during that long flight from Australia back to Malaysia. Well, on second thought, it may be the best thing to do on a long flight in the confines of a 3 foot by 4 foot space.

azri wrote:its like having sex on stand-up position, when u 'elevate' your partner, thing gets more interesting

i think all the forum moderators in h4s have become numb and indifferent already.

saja kasi kecoh forum

kids.. dont try this.. at home!!

llsaw wrote:

car o scope wrote:Me thinks with the cable elevators, the benefits are easier to clean the floor or carpet or the cables.

Yes. That sure is one "benefit"

Cumbersome! need to rearrange the lifters and the spks cables after each floor cleaning. Skip it.

azri wrote:saja kasi kecoh forum

kids.. dont try this.. at home!!

You meant not at home.... but can try it on board a flight, right ?

according to encik bimmer

hughesths wrote:

llsaw wrote:

car o scope wrote:Me thinks with the cable elevators, the benefits are easier to clean the floor or carpet or the cables.

Yes. That sure is one "benefit"

Cumbersome! need to rearrange the lifters and the spks cables after each floor cleaning. Skip it.

Not necessary. Just mop in between each cable lifter taking care not to also mop the lifter and cable

azri wrote:according to encik bimmer

According to most local newspapers some years ago. The pilot and stewardess were both sacked.

bimmerman wrote:

azri wrote:according to encik bimmer

According to most local newspapers some years ago. The pilot and stewardess were both sacked.

Find them, introduce some cable lifters to them and most importantly ask them the 'on board techniques', then share with us, thanks.

llsaw wrote:

hughesths wrote:

llsaw wrote:

car o scope wrote:Me thinks with the cable elevators, the benefits are easier to clean the floor or carpet or the cables.

Yes. That sure is one "benefit"

Cumbersome! need to rearrange the lifters and the spks cables after each floor cleaning. Skip it.

Not necessary. Just mop in between each cable lifter taking care not to also mop the lifter and cable

That's what I called 'cumbersome'.

And you may even find some spider web built in between after sometime with some dead mosquitoes or flies trapped on it.

stewardess terlampau

2saw, why not just place a few simple wood block like 5 x 5 cm & see how it goes?? same effects??