the denon receiver vs pioneer.

hi.i use pioneer bluray lx91 and use analoge out to denon 3808 receiver.i find the sound batter than using hdmi to denon receiver but the analoge out to subwoofer find the subwoofer performance is weak.is anyone have some problem.my friend said should replace my denon 3808 to pioneer receiver 82.but i concern the pioneer performance is worst then denon3808.interm of dynamice and detail.can anyone comment on pioneer82.all your comment is helpful for my dicision.thank

have you tried adjusting the subwoofer settings within the amp and on the sub itself? what sub are you using? usually, three things in the sub to look out for - level, phase and crossover frequency. can make a difference in subwoofer performance. and there's placement too ....

denon av amps are known for their sonic attributes but the pioneer amps are no shirkers these days. so it may not be an amp issue.

yes, check the setting of the Denon for the sub.
had you rerun the audysee after you change from HDMI to analog?
maybe set the LFE level in the Denon higher to get the "punch" that you like...ie. run it HOT!

He is using Velo CHT-12q.

I agreed also that you should re-run the audyssey auto settings & re-calibrate the whole speakers channel levels. It will not yield much if you swap between the amps. Another advice is to find better spot for the sub. The Pioneer is well-known for its high current output but Denon is excelled at its dynamic & sonic performance, not to mention the advanced audyssey room correction compare to macc.

After calibration, if you still find its performance is not up to your expectation, 1 solution: buy SVS With your large HT room, this Velo really looks & feels puny compare to the rest of your gear.

Cheers.

Mikapoh, did you invite Chin to your place?

Oh, he did come together with another Velodyne owner but say nothing at the moment

Well, he was asking me about your contact number (not so about SVS) but get to know Emotiva XPA-5. I repiled to him that you sold it, and in fact most of ex-owners from Lawyat already jumped ship. AS you have said it is also pure power without control & sounds on harsh side...correct me if I'm wrong.

Max (htkaki), as the famous line goes "Power is NOTHING without control'. You need a Soulution amp.

What is the "Solution Amp" I am eager to know..."Krell"?

Htkaki, I think you are using the newly built SVS power amp, aren't you?

Oh, you have not heard about this latest entry into the super-duper high-end solid state amp from Europe ? They are the amps officially recommended by Magico speakers. Prices starting from RM60k upwards. BTW, it's soulution, with two u's, not solution (I made the same mistake as well).

For more sane prices, you can also check out Odyssey amps. These are at prices which mere mortals like me can afford - from RM6k and above. These amps are muscle amps with good power and good control. Can even drive the Magico speakers.

I love my Odysseys ...

Oh my bad...sori for mistaken as "solution". It is in fact a brand name.


Wow, is this Odysseys power amp so highly regards? Shall check it out.

WongKN wrote:Max (htkaki), as the famous line goes "Power is NOTHING without control'. You need a Soulution amp.

LOL... Poison lai liao It is definitely out of my league.

The Odyssey amps worth considering. I shall til the new brand of loudspeakers are here first. Anyway, I will send to you and bassraptor for a review.

Can even drive the Magico speakers.

You should your good friend in getting the Magico

I know for a fact that our Htkaki has been posioned by DENON. I saw he started to let go his old reliable AVR-4310 in the sales thread and opt for the newer AVR-4311.

Mr. Chin, do you know why?? It is b'coz of the highly advanced features of Audyssey for room correction whereas Pioneer still stuck with "outdated" MACC. This is the perfect answer as to this, Pioneer vs Denon thread from our AV sifu.

I wonder the old 4310 firmware be upgraded to tap these latest features from Audyssey beside the 3-D thingy

MACC ? No wonder htkaki is dropping it like a ton of bricks. Nobody welcomes MACC into their home !!

Is Audyssey room correction the best there is? What about Krell Room correction ....anyone ?

I just bought a Pioneer AV (so did the poison Mugenfoo). No regrets.

WongKN wrote:Oh, you have not heard about this latest entry into the super-duper high-end solid state amp from Europe ? They are the amps officially recommended by Magico speakers. Prices starting from RM60k upwards. BTW, it's soulution, with two u's, not solution (I made the same mistake as well).

For more sane prices, you can also check out Odyssey amps. These are at prices which mere mortals like me can afford - from RM6k and above. These amps are muscle amps with good power and good control. Can even drive the Magico speakers.

For those who can afford, Soulution is the Solution.

WongKN wrote:MACC ? No wonder htkaki is dropping it like a ton of bricks. Nobody welcomes MACC into their home !!

ROTFLOL...

Advanced MCACC lah.

I am going for the 4311 due to Audyssey Sub EQ HT (remember AS-EQ1?) and the powerful MultEQ XT32 room correction. If you have a very good acoustically treated room, then it is not as important.

The XT32 has 512x resolution against XT (only higher end models have XT) of only 16x for speakers. As for sub, it is at 512X while MultEQ XT is only at 128x. It could do dual sub config, independently or as dual setup. For those who are familiar with EQ1, then they will know what is in store for them when they get avr equipped with XT32 and Sub EQ HT.

More info : http://www.audyssey.com/technology/multeq.html

You mean the Denon AVR4311 has this Audyssey Sub EQ HT feature ? How much ?

Also, notice even the heavens and stars are giving you subtle hints. Audyssey. Odyssey. See-liau, must buy both now !!

bassraptor wrote:I just bought a Pioneer AV (so did the poison Mugenfoo). No regrets.

what to do ... monkey see, monkey do !

WongKN wrote:You mean the Denon AVR4311 has this Audyssey Sub EQ HT feature ? How much ?

Also, notice even the heavens and stars are giving you subtle hints. Audyssey. Odyssey. See-liau, must buy both now !!

Yes, you are right. It is using the same processing as EQ1, making it the most advanced AVR as to date along with those other models that are equipped with it.

The Odyssey seemingly poisonous. LOL... I am thinking of using the Krell to drive the front channels. AVR4311's front left and right pre-out to Krell's input to drive front. While the other 7 channels; Front Wide, Front Height (Audyssey DSX), Center and Surr channels will be on the 7 channel ICE pwr amp.