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Sampling or Non-sampling the 1540/1?

Post by 1541 on Thu Mar 24, 2011 11:25 am

some claim upsampling resulting, Imaging is better, soundstage is more defined, there is less distortion of subtleties in the music signal.

then why lukas suggest non-oversampling in all his player? i am think to go ahead or hold back this option, so anyone of you might have real life experience do share your finding.... Idea many thanks

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Re: Sampling or Non-sampling the 1540/1?

Post by dixchen on Thu Mar 24, 2011 12:05 pm

upsampling and oversampling is not the same bro...

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Re: Sampling or Non-sampling the 1540/1?

Post by sph on Thu Mar 24, 2011 1:38 pm

Ultimately it's your ears that determine whether upsampling, oversampling or non-sampling is right for you.
Listen with your ears. Don't listen to the salesmen for the answer.
Again there will always be different opinions from different people.


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Re: Sampling or Non-sampling the 1540/1?

Post by hasnul on Thu Mar 24, 2011 1:58 pm

i have listen to both tda 1541 with opt trannys & 1543 dacs. Very warm but it depends on your setup lah. if u have a very warm & laidback sound character setup it might not be a good way to go non sampling. Dont listen such claim such 'very analog sounding one' bull crap ! As if other dac chips are very digital sounding.... it all depends the matching character with other equipment.

If u can build a switch to go to various sampling method would be better.

Got rid of both & now very happy with Burr-Brown PCM1704UK .

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Re: Sampling or Non-sampling the 1540/1?

Post by Wikin on Thu Mar 24, 2011 2:48 pm

Agree with Hasnul; it all depends on your setup and matching components.

Lukas likes it does not mean it's a statement. It also depends on how big the writer's balls are to make a claim in the net. Best is to visit the man himself and listen to his system and determine if it's the sound you like.

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Re: Sampling or Non-sampling the 1540/1?

Post by kwwong on Fri Mar 25, 2011 11:52 am

It is very simple to the NOS mod, just 3 wires connection and cut some trace.
It is reversible if you decide to switch back. Been there done that.

Don't need to fly all the way to Poland to listen to Lukasz's setup. Rolling Eyes

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Post by Wikin on Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:46 pm

kwwong wrote:It is very simple to the NOS mod, just 3 wires connection and cut some trace.
It is reversible if you decide to switch back. Been there done that.

Don't need to fly all the way to Poland to listen to Lukasz's setup. Rolling Eyes


That's not the way to ascertain the writer Lukas's setup. My policy is very simple:
If somebody claims heaven and earth of their creation and yet in their own setup I'm not happy with the way it sounds resulting in poor soundstage, poor focus, poor bass definition etc etc that means not enough homework is done. I don't care if the setup is ultra hi-end; if the resulting sound is disappointing then it's meaningless and a discredit to the owner. Cool

cheers

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Re: Sampling or Non-sampling the 1540/1?

Post by noodle88 on Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:46 pm

For me, I like the NOS sound, it's more analog n timing more correct. For 1541, NOS mod is no sufficient, should go for DEM reclocking n I2S attenuation . Some says NOS will attenuate the highs but I found it kills the glaring of the cd.


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Re: Sampling or Non-sampling the 1540/1?

Post by joeling on Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:44 pm

NOS + TD1541 is a thumbs up combo.

The AMR spots a TDA5141 & one of its several configurations is NOS !

AN Kit Dac spots a AN1865 in NOS. My DAC for the last 10 years before being replaced.

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Re: Sampling or Non-sampling the 1540/1?

Post by kwwong on Sat Mar 26, 2011 1:00 am

Wikin wrote:
kwwong wrote:It is very simple to the NOS mod, just 3 wires connection and cut some trace.
It is reversible if you decide to switch back. Been there done that.

Don't need to fly all the way to Poland to listen to Lukasz's setup. Rolling Eyes


That's not the way to ascertain the writer Lukas's setup. My policy is very simple:
If somebody claims heaven and earth of their creation and yet in their own setup I'm not happy with the way it sounds resulting in poor soundstage, poor focus, poor bass definition etc etc that means not enough homework is done. I don't care if the setup is ultra hi-end; if the resulting sound is disappointing then it's meaningless and a discredit to the owner. Cool

cheers

If can audit his setup ofcause is better, but practically the he is in Poland and you are in here, travelling time is too far and not to mention about money. By the way, NOS is only one of his mod, his whole system is combination of many mods, how do you know which you like or dislike? Unless he let you listen to the same system with and without NOS with same player. To be frank, if you want me to do the changes in front of you to prof of concept, I think I wouldn't bother.

Since is your system you are listening, your own taste to satisfy and the mod is simple, you might as well mod it and see if it suit you or not.

Cheer.

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Re: Sampling or Non-sampling the 1540/1?

Post by 1541 on Sat Mar 26, 2011 10:58 pm

Would there be any significant chance in sound between none sampling and oversampling on DAC chip ,lets not focus too much on the imaging or soundstage..

I wish gather info before i wan to proceed ,as tweak may kill the player itself.

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Re: Sampling or Non-sampling the 1540/1?

Post by kwwong on Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:09 am

Yes, there is change in sound before and after the NOS mod.

If you follow the steps, you wouldn't kill the player.

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Re: Sampling or Non-sampling the 1540/1?

Post by kakibook on Sun Mar 27, 2011 11:32 pm

DEM reclocking

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/digital-line-level/11949-tda1541-dem-reclocking.html

I2S attenuator - to prevent ground bounce (read the thread)

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/digital-line-level/79452-building-ultimate-nos-dac-using-tda1541a-344.html#post2292088

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Re: Sampling or Non-sampling the 1540/1?

Post by vintage_ear on Thu Mar 31, 2011 9:33 am

Nos is an option to some minimalist ,just like some prefer vinyl and enjoy cleaning it everyday....leaving the main untouched...very human..than machine

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