Vinyl/LP/Phono/Turntable Accessories Help!!

cmboy,

Regarding the ebay that you have talked about.
Those sellers are from Msia or oversea?

Huh Ebay. Some friends had bad experience, so I get the jitters. Yeah P77 not great but ain't bad either. Can use it on my Rega for less than prestine vinyls.

Sorry but I can't say much if you've fears, phobias or jitters of buying from Ebay. Its been so far so good for me for years, even for another buddy buying tubes and some other stuff recently from reputable Ebay power sellers. Ask seller all you need to know before clicking on purchase or bidding, lastly you tell them to PRINT your shipping address and telephone number, so that our postman will not send the goods somewhere else or read wrongly. Sorry, I can't lecture further on who, where and how to buy. Do own research and entirely own judgement to buy or not.

i also buy from EBay before . So far so good.

The serious sellers would want to maintain their reputation so cases of fraud would be low if buying from the sellers with good track-record. But again, caveat emptor as always.

Hi guys

I'm a newbie here so Happy New year.

I've sort of been reading bits and pieces about buying from ebay etc.
I have bought several things from ebay but there are items which I would stay away from.

All used cartridges as the sellers mostly lie about the hours put on them. This I know from experience and friends experiencs. Tonearms unless new can have poor bearings. I have an Ortofon Windfeld and the new Ortofon A90 both new. I would not dream of buying anything like these from ebay. Not because of price but because it's so important to make sure these are NEW!

I own several TTs. A Thorens TD125, TD126 MK2, Garrard 401, Rega P3-24, VPI HRX. The older units from ebay specialists and the others bought new.

The electronics I have bought some from ebay and others from either new or the manufacturer. I have a Whest Audio PS.30R phonostage B-graded from the manufacturer, Whest Audio PS.30RDT from new, Whest Audio MC REF V from new (yes I love them!). The ATC 150ASL speakers are new. The LAMM preamp I bought from Audiogon but from a dealer. So a real mixture.

I read somewhere on this forum a while back that MM phonostages are inherently superior to MC stages. The reasoning was very inaccurate and wrong. To set the record straight as I also co-design audio electronics but NOT for Whest Audio! Both MM and MC phonostages have 2 or more stages of gain. What the difference is, depending on design, the amount of gain. The MC phono stage generally needs approximately 20-30dB more gain than MM. The MM phonostage needs 40-43dB of gain. This is normally split between 2 stages BUT rarely one as to get an amplifier to amplify 43dB does not make good sense. Sometimes you'll find a 40dB gain cell / RIAA network/ 6dB gain cell/ buffer. So whoever said it - both are pretty much the same except for the extra 20-30dB extra gain the MC stage needs.

regards Rob

Someone wrote this and he said, there is a reason why people sell stuffs on ebay. There something wrong with it!
I believe not all as some are genuine seller. Like anything else, ebay is subject to abuse too and there are a lot of unscrupulous seller lurking at every corner. Just excercise the usual caution when dealing through ebay..

I do agree with regards to your MM/MC gain insights. Basicly thats what it is!

Its easier to build a good MM stage than a good MC stage because of the required gain differences.
Not that the electronics topology required for MC is inherently inferior or anything.

I've played really really low output MM (actually MI to be accurate) cartridges that sounded better on the phono amp's MC settings than MM. But this is coz my particular custom built phono stage has an extremely generous range of gain settings.

Hi

Yes CAUTION! It's interesting though. I say that if you buy a second hand car, you are buying someone else's problem.

It's no easier designing an MM stage. If it were there would be many GREAT MM stages out there! The design processes are the same and so are the challenges. How low is very low output MM? Very low MC is approx 0.1mV. The Denon DL 304 is about 0.18mV.

The main reason why MM stages exist is a historical one. Back in the days of tubes, MCs did not exist which is why the technology for MCs and tube phonostages is not a popular one.

I'm not against tubes at all. I own a Lamm tube preamp, but when using MC cartridges like the Ortofon A90 or Dynavector XV1s etc you don't want to use a tube stage with a transformer as the combination is my experience just does not work.

Used to have a Grado MCX. Output was approx 1.2mV. Real pain in the @$s to match with a good phono-stage coz its too low for most fixed gain MM stages, whereas too high output for MC stages.

Most budget MM boxes are designed to go well with 5mV Shures and AudioTechnicas.

Have u guys tried those accessories such as record clamps (that could cost rm200-500 a piece), the carbon brush (of different sizes to suit the different usage on a turntable, and it's not cheap though), static removal devices, etc.,? What's your take? Waste of $$$ or absolutely necessary/must have/buy whatever your budget allows?

uncle_vic wrote:Have u guys tried those accessories such as record clamps (that could cost rm200-500 a piece), the carbon brush (of different sizes to suit the different usage on a turntable, and it's not cheap though), static removal devices, etc.,? What's your take? Waste of $$$ or absolutely necessary/must have/buy whatever your budget allows?

Record clamps, some are cheap enough to have a try, but if one wants to pay RM-4digits for some piece of hockey puck, by all means. Mine came std with the turntable itself, and yes it does changes to sound for the better (for my setup).

The Carbon brush a also very good device because not only does it brush away all the dust from the LP surface, it also removes the surface static charge. And its affordable too.

But after one round of playing, the vinyl and diamond's contact would re-staticise the LP again. I actually "discovered" a more permanent solution to remove static buildup on LP, especially for new modern 180g LPs, is to wet-wash it one round with record cleaning fluid. I used to have alot of static problems with new LPs. But after wet-washing them, the static syndrome is totally gone.

It could be that new LPs today, have some sort of chemical residue from the production line that makes it a super dirt & dust magnet. The LP cleaning fluid washes it away to leave a clean vinyl surface instead. Just my theory...


Over the weekend, i met up with a fellow hifi nut (who is not a forummer ) who plays a RM60K+ TT system, he has a habit of ALWAYS wet-washing the LPs he's bought before playing them. This is especially true for new LPs becuase, new LPs actually have alot of paper dust, amongst other things when its being packed at the factory.

Oh well, if one insists a DIY one for the cost of peanuts, tie up with rubber band 4-5pcs of D size dry cell batteries and honk it onto the LP. I don't know the results, never did one.
I happen to have a unique one made of firm, light and flexible silicone plastic of some sort (no idea of its actual material) and press down to grip the spindle to flatten the LP to platter. I reckon its very suitable for suspended decks as it doesn't add any weight. Its main purpose ensuring a flat record. Of course have to use a little upward force for removal. A bit tedious though.

cmboy wrote:Oh well, if one insists a DIY one for the cost of peanuts, tie up with rubber band 4-5pcs of D size dry cell batteries and honk it onto the LP. I don't know the results, never did one.

Even funnier will be when the batteries "accidentally" tumble loose while spinning, and the do the cha-cha on the LP surface, maybe collide on the cartridge and twists the cantilever sideways as well.

Extra sounds effects. cha-cha-cha...
At the same time, the owner will feel like the cartridge is scratching on his heart rather than the LP.

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