My experience with Sollehah

by mugenfoo on Tue Oct 13, 2009 12:48 am

speaking of which.... where-o-where has Sollehah dissappeared to lately?

by klboy on Tue Oct 13, 2009 12:02 pm

found sollehah here http://hifi4salesmalaysia.blogspot.com/
so it seems that she advertised quite a number of branded hi-fi speakers and high end audio cables there

by **WongKN** on Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:31 pm

He/she is indeed a sad case. She/he PM'ed me and demanded that I delete posts by sellers whom she/he deemed too cheap or thinks are fakes. When I explained that it is not my place to make the judgement, rather it is the potential's buyer's responsibility to exercise care and to double check their facts before buying, I think that's when she/he thinks the last moderator who might be 'fair' (to her/him that is) is no longer on his/her side. I think that was the last time he/she appeared here.

by **WongKN** on Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:57 am

Forumers are all adults and so just like in everyday life, they will exercise their judgement when buying things, whether cheap or not. The main thing is they are not spoon-fed or force-fed by others who wants to decide for them if an item is worth buying or not. The same logic lar, with regards to our censor-board deciding if some movie or some song or artist is 'high enough morals' for us or not. Let us decide. We know what to do. So it is not the job of this forum to force forumers to decide according to anyone else's standards, except for their own.

This was the logic/concept that unfortunately Sollehah somehow could not accept. I say unfortunate because it is true she/he has some interesting stuff for sale.

But do also note that the knife cuts both ways. She/he parallel brings in 2nd hand stuff from the US to sell, often undercutting local dealers. So when someone else does the same to her/him, she/he should not complain.

by klboy on Wed Oct 14, 2009 3:18 pm

sorry lah! actually i'm confuse now as i thought the case was you and hifi 4 sale admin had asked the no-nonsense sollehah to leave the hifi4sale forum/website "gracefully" because she ticked off admin for being biased to malay trader/reseller in this chinese-dominated hifi and av business
and in your Announcement: Please Read, you responded clearly that you/hifi4sale are not concerned about being fair to everyone ..

by Hi-Fi 4 Sale on Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:38 am

Sollehah,
This is getting nonsensical. On behalf of the moderators, let me state that you are no longer welcome in this forum. Ever since you joined, it's been all negative. Leave gracefully.

sorry lah, i didn't mean to offend anyone as i'm new here and this will be the last thing that i would want to do. just having a light discussion in the "GENERAL DISCUSSION" forum

by **WongKN** on Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:12 pm

You misunderstood that statement, about hifi4sale not being concerned about being fair to everyone. It's actually all about hifi4sale wanting to be fair to 'everyone' as in the hifi4sale forumer community as a whole and not bothered about being fair to -one particular individual only-. I.e. as in for the good of the community, occasionally regulations that might penalize one or two individuals would have to be tolerated - as long as that penalty means those individuals do not lose anything, except some benefits. Seen in this angle, it is about a small group of people not gaining the maximum benefit from this forum vs the whole community gaining as much as possible.

Take a moderator for e.g. since this one I don't take the risk of anyone misinterpreting. I sacrifice my time to moderate this forum occasionally. Meaning occasionally I have to do 'work', instead of always enjoying myself posting or browsing this forum. In this sense, I do not gain the maximum benefit - I 'sacrifice' a little bit of my time so to speak. But the result is hopefully the whole hifi4sale community gains from the little moderation I do (like those few things I helped enforced in the for-sale forum).

In another case. There were arguements about whether hifi4sale should allow parallel importers to put up their stuff for sale in the for-sale forum. The argument is that by letting them do so, the official dealers will suffer because the parallel importers might be able to offer cheaper price (no need to cater for cost of after sales service, warantty, and other cost). But the final concensus is we leave things alone, i.e. anyone is welcomed to trade in the for-sale forum whether official or parallel importer. In this case, the official dealers are penalized to a small extent but overall the community has the benefit of a larger choice of stuff to select and buy from, including brands which may not have an official agent here. The fact that numerous official dealers chose to continue to stay and some even supporting this forum (like hiway laser for e.g. or maxx audio) clearly shows that we made the right decision.

So this is the explanation.

One final word. I did not remember even Sollehah herself/himsefl ever suggesting anything racial in her/his arguement with this community (remember, she/he virtually offended and took on most of the hif4sale community here, not only moderators or the admin). So if you have this thought, then it is very definite that you are wrong in your impression. This part I feel everyone should be very clear of.

The main thing that Sollehah was upset at hifi4sale are a couple of things. One of them being that we refuse to delete threads which she/he personally disagree with. But that is purely because she/he DON'T own this forum. I myself will not moderate any thread even if I do not agree with its contents, whether for-sale, discussions, etc. So to me, no forumer have that right as well - i.e. no one can control this forum for personal gain.

I am speaking only on behalf of myself. I

n the end, Sollehah went off and started his or her own blog for sale. So even this too turned out for the better of the community because now those who like her/his stuff and thinks she/he sell good products at good prices can visit that blog. And for those who do not agree, they can always continue to shop here.

by mugenfoo on Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:30 am

allow me to add this quote from Spock: "The needs of many outweigh the needs of the few". - Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country.

by klboy on Fri Oct 16, 2009 9:35 am

sorry lah!
sorry but i disagree with mr. spock's above statement as my 2 cents thought see the pros and cons differently i.e. the advantages of having solehah around is definitely more thus outweighing her no-nonsense approach towards hifi 4 sale admin and some members (not most members as mr. moderator has stated above) who had provoked or offended her throughout her short presence in this site. therefore i do have my reservations towards hifi 4 sale admin/moderators in handling this very unfortunate incident.

i was once a law student at mu, and some of my professors and lecturers just can't tolerate nonsense students (including me sometimes), and when looking at sollehah's profile - a university lecturer - makes me understand her behaviour and her no-nonsense approach. this character could possibly well suited the university learning environment, but may not be to her customers and to some members in this site.

her plus points or advantages

1 - all her imported hifi equipment or components and accessories eg av cables into malaysia has benefited the hifi and av community in malaysia termendously. before this brands like zu audio, slinkylinks, james loudspeaker, to name a few, can't be found or bought here

2 - her selling price for new hifi and av components/accessories is very much lower than the local dealers' price. the hifi and av community are to gain from this

3 - her product are genuine, as seen in fizi's posting. the moster cable ic he bought from solehah was sent back to monster cable headquarters in u.s.a. and they did not say that the ic was a fake or immitation. hence they replaced the broken plug ic with a new pair for fizi. now the hifi and av community knows where to get a genuine monster cable product at far below price as compared to the local dealers like harvey norman and sen q.

4 - her adverts are very detail, informative and entertaining to read. readers will gain something from it. she has got that writing flair that very few entertainment journalists in malaysia have. i think she could pass as an audio critic writer in any international hifi and av magazines if she wants.

sorry lah! didn't mean to offend anyone in this GENERAL (NON-EQUIPMENT) DISCUSSION forum. just my 2 cents thought and analysis in a case that one find intriguing to ponder through. i'm sure everyone else has his opinion on this matter. cheers!

by **WongKN** on Fri Oct 16, 2009 11:13 am

klboy,

before you actually wrote your post, did you actually check all your facts and researched them at all ?

You seem to be defending Sollehah and even making excuses for his/her behaviour, in this case, blaming 'nonsense' posts from other forumers as the instigator. But in the first place, have you actually looked at the entire sequence of events before you say the way we handle this is wrong.

I do not mind spending time to highlight the actual details because I sense there are actuall a few forumers, and in this case, including you, who actually did not seem to have all the details. I remember when we first enforced our ban on replies in the for-sale forum, one forumer from Singapore tried to flood the for-sale forum with posts accusing us of victimizing Sollehah. Obviously this fellow didn't know the whole details because after I got fed-up and posted a clear cut explanation in the for-sale forum, the fellow totally dissapeared and did not post anymore.

Now, if you indeed is a fair person and have an open mind, you go read this post ->
http://www.hifi4sale.net/audio-video-equipment-for-sale-f1/announcement-please-read-t2812.htm

There are three very important posts referred to in there which I reproduce here again for everyone's reference

http://www.hifi4sale.net/audio-video-equipment-for-sale-f1/krell-kav-280p-preamp-used-t945.htm

http://www.hifi4sale.net/audio-video-equipment-for-sale-f1/monster-m1000hd-hdmi-cable-new-t2658.htm

http://www.hifi4sale.net/audio-video-equipment-for-sale-f1/mission-77ds-dipole-surround-speakers-nos-t2742.htm

Now, you look at yourself in the mirror and you honestly says again that Sollehah was provoked and all she/he did was fair and honourable.

How long have you been 'playing' hi-fi ? You are serious in saying James Loudspeakers have not been available here in Malaysia ? Have you checked your facts carefully. 99% of what Sollehah sells are available via authorized dealers here in Malaysia. Are you also aware of the pitfalls of buying products meant for the US domestic market ?

by chenht on Fri Oct 16, 2009 4:02 pm

klboy wrote:sorry lah!
sorry but i disagree with mr. spock's above statement as my 2 cents thought see the pros and cons differently i.e. the advantages of having solehah around is definitely more thus outweighing her no-nonsense approach towards hifi 4 sale admin and some members (not most members as mr. moderator has stated above) who had provoked or offended her throughout her short presence in this site. therefore i do have my reservations towards hifi 4 sale admin/moderators in handling this very unfortunate incident.

i was once a law student at mu, and some of my professors and lecturers just can't tolerate nonsense students (including me sometimes), and when looking at sollehah's profile - a university lecturer - makes me understand her behaviour and her no-nonsense approach. this character could possibly well suited the university learning environment, but may not be to her customers and to some members in this site.

her plus points or advantages

1 - all her imported hifi equipment or components and accessories eg av cables into malaysia has benefited the hifi and av community in malaysia termendously. before this brands like zu audio, slinkylinks, james loudspeaker, to name a few, can't be found or bought here

2 - her selling price for new hifi and av components/accessories is very much lower than the local dealers' price. the hifi and av community are to gain from this

3 - her product are genuine, as seen in fizi's posting. the moster cable ic he bought from solehah was sent back to monster cable headquarters in u.s.a. and they did not say that the ic was a fake or immitation. hence they replaced the broken plug ic with a new pair for fizi. now the hifi and av community knows where to get a genuine monster cable product at far below price as compared to the local dealers like harvey norman and sen q.

4 - her adverts are very detail, informative and entertaining to read. readers will gain something from it. she has got that writing flair that very few entertainment journalists in malaysia have. i think she could pass as an audio critic writer in any international hifi and av magazines if she wants.

sorry lah! didn't mean to offend anyone in this GENERAL (NON-EQUIPMENT) DISCUSSION forum. just my 2 cents thought and analysis in a case that one find intriguing to ponder through. i'm sure everyone else has his opinion on this matter. cheers!

Cannot believe she is a lecturer with almost zero interpersonal skill

I guess I could understand why our education standard drops

Imagine a lecturer's behaviour like this Solehah.

I hope she will not sue me by saying the above

by tycham on Fri Oct 16, 2009 8:42 pm

klboy wrote:

this character could possibly well suited the university learning environment,

We must be mindful that students grade are very much dependent on their lecturers, who must be unbiased and of good character, and most of all are not the vengeful type.

klboy wrote:
1 - all her imported hifi equipment or components and accessories eg av cables into malaysia has benefited the hifi and av community in malaysia termendously. before this brands like zu audio, slinkylinks, james loudspeaker, to name a few, can't be found or bought here

You do believe that a 0.6m Nordost Vahalla ic cut from a cheaper and longer cable(term as cable hack) and not terminated by Nordost at their factory can benefit the hifi community? I believe this was put up for sale here by sollehah.

klboy wrote:
2 - her selling price for new hifi and av components/accessories is very much lower than the local dealers' price. the hifi and av community are to gain from this

But when others can sell at a lower price than hers, she concluded that theirs are fake.

klboy wrote:
3 - her product are genuine, as seen in fizi's posting. the moster cable ic he bought from solehah was sent back to monster cable headquarters in u.s.a. and they did not say that the ic was a fake or immitation. hence they replaced the broken plug ic with a new pair for fizi. now the hifi and av community knows where to get a genuine monster cable product at far below price as compared to the local dealers like harvey norman and sen q.

I do believe the Mosnter cable are authentic, but, a broken plug certainly doesn't qualify it as a quality cable.

klboy wrote:
4 - her adverts are very detail, informative and entertaining to read. readers will gain something from it. she has got that writing flair that very few entertainment journalists in malaysia have. i think she could pass as an audio critic writer in any international hifi and av magazines if she wants.

Perhaps, in the context of brevity for effective advertising, these are one detail too many. Perhaps,

"Vishnu delivered greater bass depth and weight, but also greater texture. Along with that added weight and control of low frequencies comes a sense of authority and space: space around and behind the performers, space between notes and phrases."
Roy Gregory, Hi Fi+ Issue 28

to a budding hifi buff, the above quote that appeared in one her advert for a Nordost Vishnu power cord terminated with a Clipsal UK plug are consider informative. I do rate her tirades on this forum as entertaining. Not her adverts though.

As a journalist with excellent writing flair, which would be recognised gobally,I believe only Adibah Amin qualify for this accolade.

by klboy on Sat Oct 17, 2009 4:36 pm

Sorry lah! I took sometime to reply to this one-sided argument/discussion because I got to do some research in order to reply to three (3) forumers – WongKN, chenht and tycham. It is just like in a debate – one against three people.
I’m sure there are hifi4sale members who are pro sollehah, please don’t just keep quite - speak out! I’m sure there are hifi4sale members who have actually transact directly with sollehah and bought things from her; appreciate your feedback/comments. If we don’t support the only Malay entrepreneur in this almost 100% Chinese-dominated Hi-Fi and AV business, who else will? Others will just find ways to condemned her.

chenht

I thought that we are having a healthy discussion here in the GENERAL DISCUSSION forum, not condemning another hifi community member who is not even around to defend herself. What do you gain from your condemnation? Perhaps to satisfy yourself and your ego. And what does the hifi community gain from your condemnation/posting here? Basically nothing too!

On the contrary, it only makes us feel more sympathy towards your victim (sollehah) who is not even around to defend herself.

If you said sollehah has almost zero interpersonal skill, it could be categorized as a slanderous statement.

For the big numbers of hi-fi & av community who have interacted personally with her, found out that she is the opposite of your slanderous statement. This is based on the excellent testimony/comments/feedbacks left for her on [url=http://www.lelong.com.my]www.lelong.com.my[/url] and www.ebay.com.my

Click on these links below to view over 300 hifi & av community members who have interacted personally with sollehah over the past 4-5 years…

http://www.lelong.com.my/Auc/Feedback/UserRating.asp?UserID=sollehah@1

Some even vouched that she is the best seller in eBay

http://feedback.ebay.com.my/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=sollehah1992&ftab=AllFeedback&seeallfeedback=See%20All%20Feedback&myworld=true

tycham,

You wrote:

We must be mindful that students grade are very much dependent on their lecturers, who must be unbiased and of good character, and most of all are not the vengeful type.

If you imply that sollehah is biased, not a good character and vengeful, prove it to us. Provide with solid evidence… not just hearsay

You do believe that a 0.6m Nordost Vahalla ic cut from a cheaper and longer cable(term as cable hack) and not terminated by Nordost at their factory can benefit the hifi community? I believe this was put up for sale here by sollehah.

Obviously you are wrong. Have you heard any difference in sound quality between the Nordost factory terminated IC and the ones terminated using the same Neutrik plugs by a specialized hifi shop/dealer in UK? If not, you obviously don’t qualify to make such biased comment. It really tickles me, when you imply that sollehah is biased but in actual fact you are biased towards her.

Well at least sollehah is honest enough to inform potential buyers that the Nordost interconnects is from a longer length and are terminated with the same Neutrik plugs i.e. the same plugs used by Nordost for their interconnects.

One could find “Englishmen” in UK also selling Nordost product not factory terminated on eBay UK. They are also honest gentlemen to inform potential buyers that the Nordost cables were cut from a longer length. Please view these links:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Nordost-Vishnu-Power-Lead-Silver-Cryo-Kaiser-IEC-Plug_W0QQitemZ350250528326QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Computing_CablesConnectors_RL?hash=item518c8eee46

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NORDOST-BRAHMA-2m-POWER-CORD-UPGRADED-350i-WATTGATE-MK_W0QQitemZ200387591878QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Computing_CablesConnectors_RL?hash=item2ea807fec6

This definitely has benefited the hifi community all over the world as they get to purchase them at a much lower price as compared to the ones sold by Nordost Corporation without any loss of quality.

But when others can sell at a lower price than hers, she concluded that theirs are fake.

I couldn’t find any statement from sollehah that accused Digitaltech of selling fake Monster Cable. Please provide a statement from sollehah that directly accused Digitaltech of selling fake or imitation Monster Cable as solid evidence to back-up your above-mentioned statement… not an interpretation of any kind, just a simple direct statement that accused Digitaltech selling fake cables. If you can’t, it shows to all hifi4sale members of your false accusations. Hifi4sale members can become the judge in this case.

I do believe the Mosnter cable are authentic, but, a broken plug certainly doesn't qualify it as a quality cable.

Before you concluded that Monster Cable product doesn’t qualify as quality product and thus has offended everybody else who has invested so much money on Monster Cable product, you should ask Fizi first as to why the plug on his Monster Cable interconnect got broken. There could be many reasons why an IC plug can easily get broken – due to mishandle i.e. forceful insertion or disconnect; or a too tight bend especially when placing the IC at a very tight spot. Not only Monster Cable IC plug can get broken, other brand of Ics can also suffer the same fate under such circumstances.

Perhaps, in the context of brevity for effective advertising, these are one detail too many. Perhaps,

"Vishnu delivered greater bass depth and weight, but also greater texture. Along with that added weight and control of low frequencies comes a sense of authority and space: space around and behind the performers, space between notes and phrases."
Roy Gregory, Hi Fi+ Issue 28

to a budding hifi buff, the above quote that appeared in one her advert for a Nordost Vishnu power cord terminated with a Clipsal UK plug are consider informative. I do rate her tirades on this forum as entertaining. Not her adverts though.

I don’t see anything wrong to quote a few reviews for the product that she sells. I for one, don’t have the opportunity to demo the product, would certainly depend on such reviews from audio critic magazines in order to decide whether to buy such product or otherwise. These staff writers have been reviewing a lot hifi equipment and accessories for the past many years – 10 years, 15 years or more (it has been their job day in and day out), and surely their reviews carry much weight.

As a journalist with excellent writing flair, which would be recognised gobally,I believe only Adibah Amin qualify for this accolade.

This remark is completely out of context as Adibah Amin doesn’t test, review or write anything about hi-fi and av stuff.

WongKN

Despite your older age, you are not civil in your discussion or argument. There is no need to be upset or offended with my 2 cents thought. I don’t have to look at myself in the mirror in order to come to a conclusion. One does not have to study psychology to know that when a person is being provoked or offended, he/she will react accordingly. The links you provided clearly showed that sollehah was provocated and offended by a few members like jemmi, sonyman, lamkochai, br@d and hifi 4 sale admin to a certain extent.

Contrary to your above-mentioned statement “she… took on most of the hifi4sale community here.”

This is a lie because the definition of “most” is more than 50% i.e. if hifi4sale has 2,000 members, sollehah has taken on over 1,000 hifi4sale members. Mr. Moderator, WongKN, has been dishonest in this thread.

In another situation of your biasness and unfairness, is when one look at the forum MISSION 77DS speakers for sale. How can you allow a posting from DitalTech on Monster Cable M1000HD plus a huge picture on the cable in this forum when it has nothing to do with the sales of MISSION 77DS speakers. If I am not mistaken, I did come across your statement that you won’t allow any postings in any item for sale forum that are NOT related to the product which is for sale. Whatever excuses you might give; still I see that the posting from DigitalTech has none what-so-ever related to the MISSION 77DS advert.

The fact whether I know more or less about hi-fi is insignificant as I’m giving a general view about the many plus points of having sollehah around… as detailed in NO. 1 - NO. 4. And not forgetting...

NO. 5 – Honest seller. Which is the very important virtue in online selling?

Hundreds of her buyers have given positive feedback on [url=http://www.lelong.com.my]www.lelong.com.my[/url] and [url=http://www.ebay.com.my]www.ebay.com.my[/url],

and possibly many hifi4sale members have bought from her, e.g. Fizi for one. So it can’t be all negative for sollehah.

by **WongKN** on Sun Oct 18, 2009 12:33 am

I do find it interesting that a regular forumer is saying that he knows the general concensus of the forum members more than the creater or the moderators.

Now, it is important to set the policy and chronology clear about this matter. Even if it is so that other sellers can avoid similar pitfallls or be clear about the policy and its execution.

If you look at the 1st thread, Sollehah put up a Krell 280p for sale. Things didn't go her way. Eventually when things tangented off too far, I decided to lock the thread and invited him/her to start a new one, offering to moderate that to prevent a recurrence. This she/he gleefully accepted - another Krell 280p FS thread was created. Whether she/he did manage to sell it was her/his own business.

Fast forward to the 2nd thread and now it was someone else's turn to get some bad responses on his for-sale post. Once again when things went too far, I step in to lock the thread, again offering the seller to open another thread and to moderate that one for him.

Side-note. Sollehah actually PM'ed me to argue his/her case in this matter - that I should delete and ban the 2nd seller because he/she thinks the stuff are fake, etc. I told her my stand - that only potential buyers have the right to make this decision (that an item FS is real or fake) and that was my final stand. To his/her credit, Sollehah accepted this decision and did not persue things anymore with me after that.

Now the 3rd and final thread. Once again it seems one of Sollehah's FS thread was disturbed. Again when things went too far, I once again locked the thread and told Sollehah to open a new one.

Now, I am not bothered nor did I check what went on after that. From what I have been told, it seems he/she left this forum after that thread, despite the final action being to her favour.

Once again, as I have often pointed out, the forumers here are all adults, intelligent, fair and open minded and able to make up their own minds. So what I will only point out here is that of the three times I stepped in to moderate the FS threads, two of them worked out to Sollehah's advantage And she/he actually took up the invitation to re-open a new thread the first time. It is important to note that all three actions were done to help as part of the normal duty of a moderator, without actually favouring anyone except the seller irregardless of who he or she is. This will continue to be the case. And we will continue to avoid making judgements on any items for sale. Once again, it is not our place to say that something is too cheap or too expensive or real or fake. However, we do have strict regulations that we wish be followed. The admin is the one to enforce this regulations.

This then is the final story on the matter.

One final word.

I find it sad that once again someone tried to exploit the racial card in this thread. In all the communications that Sollehah had with me, never once did he/she felt the need to mention about who he/she is. To his/her credit, all of the PMs were factual and to the point. In this instance, anyone who attempts to use race to justify for Sollehah is simply insulting Sollehah, his/her intelligence and him/her as a person.

Despite what happened, do note that while many sellers were banned, Sollehah never was. This showed how she/he is as a peson. Despite what may be seen as his/her popularity, he/she do take the effort to follow the rules. So the impression I have of Sollehah is that of a very self-confident person, who is perfectly able to fight for himself/herself on his/her own merits as a person and a seller. To even insinuate that she/he needs to use the racial card to help her arguement is simply belitting his/her abilities. I am sure many forumers will agree that she/he is more than capable of defending himself/herself without stooping to such means.

by **WongKN** on Sun Oct 18, 2009 12:50 am

Now back to Monster cables. Do be aware that Monster Cable's theory about good interconnect is somewhat different from many of the modern top-end cable manufacturers. Monster cables continue to believe in the theory that different frequencies can be made to travel along different sections of the cables. Many modern cable manufacturers do not subscribe to this but have their own ideas of what makes a good cable, many focussing on grounding and other things.

The important thing is to note that despite the two quite different approaches, both Monster and other top-end cables do sound very good. So obviously both have their own merits.

I myself have been a happy user of numerous Monster cables, at one time, one of the top models. However, as explained, the fact that I was a very good friend of the guy who runs the Tat Chuan showroom back then meant that I was able to actually test many different cables in my system, which was what convinced me that the extra cost for the top-end Monster cable was worth spending on. Albert - my friend at Tat Chuan - did a wonderful job of promoting Monster as one of the best hifi cables. It is a pity that no-one is doing a similar job now.

by chenht on Sun Oct 18, 2009 9:10 am

Dear KL Boy,

Everyone is entitled to his / her opinion. A particular person might be a gem to you but he / she could be a piece of shit to others. Diffrent perceptions on certain subject / persons are not uncommon in this real world. So llet's move on with HIFI related stuff and not harp on this historical person Sollehah. She is histrory as far as this forum is concerned.

Hava a nice day.

P/S BTW, I am not biased. I contacted Sollehah once for the Krell pre amp (110 V) many months ago and I cannot say Sollehah is good at interpesonal skill based on solely my own opinion. Having said that, other might preceived differently which I have no problem to accept

Thefefore as fas as I am concerned (and quite a number of forum members here), Sollehah is definitely not a gem

by mugenfoo on Sun Oct 18, 2009 2:12 pm

Wow. ... one mention of the magical "S-word" and this thread miraculously becomes 1000x more entertaining !!

chenht wrote:Dear KL Boy,

P/S BTW, I am not biased. I
contacted Sollehah once for the Krell pre amp (110 V) many months ago
and I cannot say Sollehah is good at interpesonal skill based on solely
my own opinion. Having said that, other might preceived differently
which I have no problem to accept Thefefore as fas as I am concerned (and quite a number of forum members here), Sollehah is definitely not a gem

Wow ... what a coincidence ... i also did the same and contacted
Sorlehai abt a Krell pre-amp but was told that it was supposedly on
hold for some Sarawak buyer. Dunno what happened to it eventually. But
there is still the ad of the Krell pre-amp for sale, and its not taken
down or marked as "sold" a few weeks later. But lazy re-contact coz the
feeling is that the seller is not really too keen to transact.

Now, back to Monster Cables .... anyone here using the Monster "Sigma series" cables ?

by klboy on Tue Oct 20, 2009 6:32 am

chenht

I am replying to your posting which was especially addressed to me… Dear klboy !

I agree with you that everyone is entitled to his/her opinion.

In your last posting you asked us to move on to hifi related stuff and not harp on sollehah, but yet in your P/S B.T.W. you presented a bad picture of sollehah again and again. Now it is about your interaction (phone conversation/inquiry) with sollehah – which is your version of the story.

What is this?

You should STOP condemning people, as others can do the same towards you, and you will certainly not like it!

If I am a judge, I wouldn’t want to listen to only one side of the story before making a judgment. Therefore this has led me to PM sollehah, to find out from her what is her version of the interaction with you, chenht.

Sollehah’s Sales Manager told me, after he had placed an advert on one unit of Krell preamp on hifi4sale site, you did call his hand phone 019-3464456 to inquire why a few months old preamp is already for sale? He said, he replied and gave you a straight forward answer as any seller would do when a potential buyer calls to inquire about his/her product for sale. And you said that you will let him know if you decide to buy. That was it… your first (a very brief) and only phone call to sollehah – which is a very straight forward business conversation.

So I wonder why are you painting a bad picture of sollehah based on a very brief phone conversation which didn’t even last a minute.

chenht, what is your actual problem?

Infact according to sollehah, you did jump in the forum on krell kav-280p for sale, and you had commented that sollehah is "o.k." after you made that phone call. Later when the forum turned out bad between sollehah and jemmi, you deleted your comment and replaced it with:

Re: Krell KAV-280p preamp (Used)

by chenht on Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:51 pm

I deleted what I had written earlier.

Since you mentioned so much about "history", perhaps you should go down in the history book as the most fickle-minded person.

mugenfoo

You SMSed sollehah inquiring about the Krell preamp as you were interested on the item because you thought that the price is very much lower/cheaper than what Norman Audio is selling. You are correct - she replied your SMS saying that the unit was reserved for a Sarawakian buyer, and informed you that if the deal didn’t go through she will contact you later. Unfortunately the deal didn’t go through, so she decided to keep the preamp instead which is basically a new set. I’m sure that you don’t have any complain about the way she communicated with you. It was all the way straight forward business communication/dealing, just like in the case with chenht.

WongKN

If you and hifi4sale admin had already asked sollehah to leave hifi4sale “gracefully” isn’t it the same as “banning” her from your site? For someone who is educated enough and has pride, dignity and respect will understand what it means, and this could be the main reason why we never see her postings anymore.

Your explanation (quoted below) on why sollehah left hifi4sale site may “not be the true case”.

by WongKN on Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:31 pm

He/she is indeed a sad case. She/he PM'ed me and demanded that I delete posts by sellers whom she/he deemed too cheap or thinks are fakes. When I explained that it is not my place to make the judgement, rather it is the potential's buyer's responsibility to exercise care and to double check their facts before buying, I think that's when she/he thinks the last moderator who might be 'fair' (to her/him that is) is no longer on his/her side. I think that was the last time he/she appeared here.

klboy
Damansara Heights, K.L

by mugenfoo on Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:47 am

klboy wrote:

mugenfoo

You
SMSed sollehah inquiring about the Krell preamp as you were interested
on the item because you thought that the price is very much
lower/cheaper than what Norman Audio was selling. You are correct - she
replied your SMS saying that the unit was reserved for a Sarawakian
buyer, and informed you that if the deal didn’t go through she will
contact you later. Unfortunately the deal didn’t go through, so she
decided to keep the preamp instead which is basically a new set (few
months old at that time). I’m sure that you don’t have any complaint
about the way she communicated with you. It was all the way straight
forward business communications/dealings, just like in the case with chenht.

by **WongKN** on Tue Oct 20, 2009 2:29 pm

Interesting how this guy seems to know so much detail about Sollehah. But then if he really does know, then why is he so ignorant of what actually happened ? Unless of course there is intention to do otherwise.

The fact remains that after offending so many people, the admin and numerous members told Sollehah that if he/she is not happy here, he/she should leave. Others though ask him/her to stay. It should be noted that I am not bothered with such things so I never said anything or interfered in the matter. Nevertheless, it looked like Sollehah got the message that since he/she was not welcomed by so many people, he/she decided to 'have a backbone' (as they would say) and just leave and form his/her own blog. In this case, he/she left because of pride. Of course the fact that he/she seem to have conflict with so many people is her own doing and her own responsibility. As an adult, only he/she himself/herself controls what he/she wants to do, noone else can help her.

So Sollehah took the message and lwith dignity intact, left and form his/her own blog.

Now, are you now suggesting that she/he has decided to swallow his/her pride and want to come back to H4S forum ? As far as I am concerned, it's no skin off my back. She/he come back, she/he don't, neither I nor anyone else in this forum will be the least bothered. As for pride, dignity, self-respect, well you are the one saying she/he wants to come back. So you should think hard whether or not once again you are insulting Sollehah as a person. Remember, he/she had enough 'backbound' to leave and go his/her own way.

This should set the record straight once and for all.

Maybe you need to learn something from someone you seem to love so much.

by sleme on Tue Oct 20, 2009 2:58 pm

KLboy, enough already. Contrary to popular belief, forums like these are not free. It takes money and time to run and maintain it and since you were once a law student at MU, you would understand that the owners and moderators of such forums can also be found liable for defamatory statements published in the forums as well (hence they are called moderators). Therefore, if there is a risk that Sollehah is making accusations that the items sold by others are fake, unless it can be substantiated conclusively (which there is no evidence of the same), then she deserves the boot.

I can sympathize with you and Sollehah if hifi4sale is a paid subscribed service but the last I heard, advertising here is free.

Therefore, please leave it. If the owner/moderators feel that it is more damaging to have sollehah advertising here, so be it. It is unfortunately not a democracy. We dont pay a fee for the services here. Sollehah is free to start her blog. For that matter, you are also free to start your own blog/forum. Perhaps www.savesollehahfrombeingkickedoutofhifi4sale.com might still be available.

Sorry for sounding curt but if you are not happy, go somewhere else. Your rant in this thread stopped being 'constructive' from the 1st posting. The idiotic racial slant used to justify your rant really pisses me off. Implying that someone is racist when there is no justification for it whatsoever is down right rude and uncalled for. Stop the siege mentality. It is downright embarrassing. Sheesh..

Shaikh Saleem

by mugenfoo on Tue Oct 20, 2009 4:38 pm

ok ok .. i shall take a wee bit of blame (and just a wee bit) for mentioning "what happened to the solerhah character" here...

Now ..... back to MONSTERS ..... Any Sigma owners out there ? ... anyone ? Helloooo ?
If memory serves me right, these bad-ass cables had their Connectors COLD-WELDED with a 20,000psi presser/crimper or something like that. This means no soldering whatsoever.

by klboy on Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:34 pm

sleme
i am replying to your posting which was especially addressed to me... KLboy!

you sounded more like hifi 4 sale admin and his site moderators who manages this site.

well, i do not want to waste my time anymore with what appears to me to be an endless bickering of "opinions".

i believe that quality speaks for itself. if sollehah's product is of quality or otherwise, people will know in the end just like her Monster Cable product was proven authentic by Fizi.

the truth will always preservere.

so, i am getting on with my life.

i am sure you too have better things to do.

B.T.W., this is very “unethical” and a “sad” website to visit when the owner of the website himself, hifi 4 sale, disguised as sleme to bash up a member, and have the guts to put down a Malay name (Shaikh Saleem) at the end of his write-up (hoping that everyone thinks that a Malay chap is bashing up another Malay chap) when in actual fact a Chinese chap is bashing up a Malay chap. No Malay chap will ever write the way sleme (hifi4sale) wrote as appeared in the above posting, and to put down his Malay name/identity, that will never happen in a million years!

by chenht on Wed Oct 21, 2009 7:43 am

Guys,

I really think KL Boy is Sollehah or her husband or her idnetical twin. What do you think? But can an identical twin or a spouse remeber so much detail? May be not. KL Boy could be known as Sollehah in another diemension

by **WongKN** on Wed Oct 21, 2009 9:04 am

On you guys' agreement, I will lock this thread and you guys can discuss about monster cables in another.

I have an old Monster cable, bought almost 20 years ago. Don't know if its sigma or not. I suppose those who are curious as to old vs new, I am willing to take it out for a comparison test. I don't really use it anymore anyway.

by tycham on Wed Oct 21, 2009 9:05 am

chenht wrote:Guys,

I really think KL Boy is Sollehah or her husband or her idnetical twin. What do you think? But can an identical twin or a spouse remeber so much detail? May be not. KL Boy could be known as Sollehah in another diemension

My thought too.

But on a positive note, Sollehah is an angel when compared to some dealers on echoloft.

by **Hi-Fi 4 Sale** on Wed Oct 21, 2009 9:31 am

Topic split from the Monster Cable thread. Never wanted this to happen, but it was inevitable from the chain of events.... an entire topic on Sollehah.

Wish him/her well in future endeavours.

by chenht on Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:45 pm

Ladies and gentlemen,

Sollehah is a historical figure (in another word dead) in this forum. For someone historical, Sollehah certainly gets a lot of attention, probably more than our father of independence

I would suggest that this thread be closed as it looks like Sollehah has found her succesor in this thread

Some people get a kick out of antagonizing others and we should stop them from having a ball.

This KL baby cries and claims that it looks like a dabate where one is against many but this baby fails to recognise the reason. The reason is that many do not like this single individual and in our world world majority rules. Simple as that.

I hope I will not be brought to court for saying the above as the only spare cash I have now is for a CD player upgrade. Perhaps if Sollehah could sell me a good second hand player at a good price, I still have some money left to hire a lawyer if I am brought to court for saying what I said in this forum

R.I.P. Sollehah (as far as this forum is concerned).

by bimmerman on Wed Oct 21, 2009 6:10 pm

klboy wrote:found sollehah here http://hifi4salesmalaysia.blogspot.com/
so it seems that she advertised quite a number of branded hi-fi speakers and high end audio cables there

What the hey??? HiFi4sales??? Hifi4sale with an "S". Never knew such a website existed. And most of the stuff posted for sale here is posted there too. Sure looks like a classy place to sell your stuff. If hifi4sale is the Pavilion then hifi4sales is Pudu Plaza or The Stor Segambut.

Hey bladder, you wanch to sales your Hifi? Or you wanch to buys? Come come to Hifi4sales

by hasnul on Wed Oct 21, 2009 6:19 pm

That website been up there for quite a long time. An another good hifi selling website too.

by mugenfoo on Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:29 pm

bimmerman wrote:
klboy wrote:found sollehah here http://hifi4salesmalaysia.blogspot.com/
so it seems that she advertised quite a number of branded hi-fi speakers and high end audio cables there

What the hey??? HiFi4sales??? Hifi4sale with an "S". Never knew such a website existed. And most of the stuff posted for sale here is posted there too. Sure looks like a classy place to sell your stuff. If hifi4sale is the Pavilion then hifi4sales is Pudu Plaza or The Stor Segambut.

Hey bladder, you wanch to sales your Hifi? Or you wanch to buys? Come come to Hifi4sales

Ahhh Yeash my flen, hifi4sales very the goodest! Sell also can, buy also can!
plenty many powderful amprifriers and biggerestest speakers systems all syiok syiok super laam paar song one !

by bimmerman on Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:29 am

Lai Lai Lai I buy the powderfool BMB karaoke system, wa lang hua hee kala ok!!!

Ha ha ha!!! Chooi kong, lam pa song. Ha ha ha!!!

by tycham on Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:27 am

hasnul wrote:That website been up there for quite a long time. An another good hifi selling website too.

Notice there are a few Chord Company cables for sale over there. For info, those who bought these cables can register for the warranty with Richard Senior at Richard@chord.co.uk

I was offered the full warranty for my Dec 2007 Signature speaker cables bought on ebay.

by fizi on Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:45 pm

hi all kaki`s...

Im bought more then five items from solehah through lelong.com...its very simple,good packaging,very fast delivery,honest to deal with and even he wanted to meet personaly with buyer if posible even the item is just only Rm100...is there any COMPLICATED situation i think is only from the buyer itself or just a person shiok shiok asking about it...most of the time this kind of person always make KACAU!!!

and i think dont even have budget to buy any things...

Im selling my hifi and av equipments through this website,from my expirience a lot of KAKI KACAU!!! they got a tons of credits to ask a lot of unecessary question and nego like hell,,for instant RM1k wanted to nego until Rm400 this kind the person la what i mention as KAKI KACAU!!! and if we dont entertain them and then they will start make so much noise...

Its good also sollehah leave this forum...i think he had enough already with a lot of KAKI KACAU here...as a businessman he only wanted to sell the stuff and we as reader or potential buyer can get good info from the solehah ad..i dont think he will loose business from leaving this blog,from the feedback (lelong,ebay and etc etc) i read it what i can asume he have a good profit margin with the business from the other dealers with a showroom..

peace

to SOLLEHAH...pray to god for ur success...

p/s--im not a husband,wife,relative with sollehah ok

heheehhehee

by RobA4 on Sun Oct 25, 2009 6:29 pm

You meet all kinds in the real world, but it's worse in the cyber world on account of anonymity. I've sold only 1 item here but have dealt with a few unsavoury characters (cyber warriors??) who seem to think they are "it".

But I'll let it pass cos you need the bad to have the good.

End of the day... just let things slide for it is not worth it either way to get worked up about things. There are indeed bigger fish to fry.

Now.... where's that MC402 amp I've been eyeing???? LOL!!!

by tin on Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:26 pm

Sollehah is one of the nicest dealers i have ever encountered in malaysia,she puts a lot of brick and mortars dealers to shame..

She speaks very good English,very honest,exemplary service and always very courteous.Cant say that about 99 % of the local dealers here.

I also do not understand the attitude of the admin of hifi 4sale;they all seems to be very defensive of the local dealers.Rumor has it that......well never mind.

by mugenfoo on Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:34 pm

Errr.. isn't Sorlehah one of the "local dealers" also ? perhaps you meant some of those mainstream (aka authorised) dealers ?

But if one can recall the very colourful and final threads involving mr/mrs/ms/mdm Sorlehhah was the one involving Monster Cables (if the thread is still here somewhere) ... it came off like a case of "pot calling the kettle black". Parallel-importer/seller A accused Parallel-importer/seller B of selling fake stuff. The Accusation seemed to be based on advertised price alone. Who's right and who's wrong ? For the reader to deduce their own conclusions...

by mugenfoo on Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:36 pm

tin wrote:
I also do not understand the attitude of the admin of hifi 4sale;they all seems to be very defensive of the local dealers.Rumor has it that......well never mind.

Yes ? Rumour has it that what ?

Hey, if you're not afraid to "think" it ... No need to be afraid to "say" it !

by dheensay on Mon Oct 26, 2009 2:07 am

First off, can we set the record straight? Sollehah is a man. so lets stop referring to him as "she" and "her"

Secondly, i dont see what the big issue is. I noticed that there was quite a bit of stick given to him when he posts. Granted they are long winded and have some annoying statements, but he's just trying to make a buck. So what? I wouldnt consider it deceitful.

At the end of it all, its a willing buyer-seller market. I dont think you can preech about this site being "free for all sellers" when you are shutting him down for being paranoid....or arguing with some of the members (who by the way seem awfully rude too..so perhaps you wanna consider asking them to leave gracefully)?

by **WongKN** on Mon Oct 26, 2009 10:41 am

I myself have dealt with Sollehah before at the old hifi4sale blog. He/she & I have also PM'ed before a few times. I agree he is a courteous and actually -mostly- reasonable fellow. This is why I felt it was inaccurate when people try to talk on his/her behalf (to set the record straight, Sollehah is a man. But if you actually go and read all his posts, sometimes his wife also responds on their behalf, listing her name as 'Zarina'.) One forumer made a comment about hifi4sale admin so obviously it was not directed at me, a moderator. But once again I will point out, and thus made it clear. I always try my best not to interfere in any thread, even the for-sale thread. Even if there seems to be people 'ka-cau-ing'. The reason is if I am to interfere, then I will need to set out clear defintions and standards with regard to what is 'real' ka-chau-ing and what are legitimate questions related to the for-sale item. And again I do not want to do that.

But like I said, when I felt a for-sale thread has deviated too far from its original intention, then I will interfere. In this case, I interfered and locked up three threads. And once again, I point out that (its not intentional), Sollehah benefited the most from those interference.

The one thing I am not happy about, with regards to Sollehah is that despite being the loudest complainer about people ka-chauing other people's for sale thread, he/she did the same thing. This is of course related to the Monster cable issue. His/her sole justification, to me, was that the offer price was below his/her cost price. And that was the critieria for declaring the other seller as selling fake items.

But then, recently, one forumers actually PM'ed me to tell me that he had indieed checked out the cables and he confirms that they are real original stuff. Now, I didn't bring this up initially because I did not want to get into the real vs fake argument. Now that the debate is more calm, matured, and reasonable, this then is the fact. So, if I had actually taken sides at that time, say before I got the PM from that forumer, what would that have made me, especially as a moderator ?

So, once again, this are the facts of the case and if you decide to form any opinion about the whole situation, you need to take everything into account

by **WongKN** on Mon Oct 26, 2009 10:49 am

On another, separate note. I will not endavour to speak on behalf of hifi4sale admin. But I want to remind everyone that even as a moderator who clearly exercises minimal interference in the for-sale threads, I myself have received PM's from Sollehah and quite a large number of other people regarding this matter. So, unless you are the hifi4sale admin or you have actually seen his inbox or emails, I think it is wise not to form any hard and fast opinions regardng this matter. Always bear in mind that there could be and probably are numerous twists and turns, UNTOLD and UNKNOWN to everyone (including me) and only to the hifi4sale admin that the people who PM'ed him. While there are a number of comments about hifi4sale admin's post asking Sollehah to leave if he/she doesn't like it, do bear in mind that there could be some unknown private PM's between the 2 of them before this.

If we value ourselves as a logical and fair-minded person, we need to walk the talk and for this instance, we should give the benefit of the doubt to everyone (yes, even including Sollehah).

by djdyks on Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:04 pm

bimmerman wrote:
klboy wrote:found sollehah here http://hifi4salesmalaysia.blogspot.com/
so it seems that she advertised quite a number of branded hi-fi speakers and high end audio cables there

What the hey??? HiFi4sales??? Hifi4sale with an "S". Never knew such a website existed. And most of the stuff posted for sale here is posted there too. Sure looks like a classy place to sell your stuff. If hifi4sale is the Pavilion then hifi4sales is Pudu Plaza or The Stor Segambut.

Hey bladder, you wanch to sales your Hifi? Or you wanch to buys? Come come to Hifi4sales

WOW, Mr.Bimmerman is really SOMEBODY to rate ppl's efforts.
If you NEVER knew such website existed, then how can you define which is which ?
I'm really impressed!
Pls excuse my comments

by bimmerman on Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:15 am

Hey Dickydick, Struggled to understand what you were trying to say. Buy it must be something good. Well good on you too mate!

by mustafa on Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:09 am

My opinion on this matter is very simple;
this is the blog where owner selling directly to buyer. u name the price, and we decide to buy or not. if someone willing to sell his krell amp at 1k go ahead, or your 2nd hand cdp to sell more expansive than the brand new one also go ahead. we're matured enough. blamming or condemming people is unacceptable. but when more than 3 people complaining about someone i believe something must be wrong with that man and admin have a right to raise a red card to him but must start with yellow first.
I see a lot of thing here; peope selling used stuff but same or even expansive than the new one, people asking for hi end stuff with a crazy low budget, people post a thread but make it like a magazine...and many more, but what can say... just look at the positive side. we're here to share and enjoy hifi together and make friends... right? Thanks to Mr Wong.

by jazzfunksoulmusic on Tue Oct 27, 2009 4:34 pm

Mustafa,
I agree with you.. Here is to sell, buy, sharing and making friends. It is not a killing field. If you guys want to fight, go to mamak shop and have a table talk.. Is it better?

by kancan on Tue Oct 27, 2009 5:27 pm

yups, agree with jazzfunk...and music is dead already...

by mugenfoo on Tue Oct 27, 2009 5:32 pm

music per se is dead to begin with. Its the musicians playing music that makes it alive.

by djdyks on Tue Oct 27, 2009 5:54 pm

bimmerman wrote:Hey Dickydick, Struggled to understand what you were trying to say. Buy it must be something good. Well good on you too mate!

That's what called well mannered or great interpersonal skilled ...

Pls don't struggle, bim !
I also don't understand what the above words implicating.
(Felt like arguing with kids, so sorry -> admin)

There's always pros and cons with blogs and forum. Where to get best of both worlds?
IMO forummers are getting lost with the ideas and concepts here, we are not totally enjoying or sharing ... seems like debating.

by djdyks on Tue Oct 27, 2009 5:57 pm

mustafa wrote:My opinion on this matter is very simple;
this is the blog where owner selling directly to buyer. u name the price, and we decide to buy or not. if someone willing to sell his krell amp at 1k go ahead, or your 2nd hand cdp to sell more expansive than the brand new one also go ahead. we're matured enough. blamming or condemming people is unacceptable. but when more than 3 people complaining about someone i believe something must be wrong with that man and admin have a right to raise a red card to him but must start with yellow first.
I see a lot of thing here; peope selling used stuff but same or even expansive than the new one, people asking for hi end stuff with a crazy low budget, people post a thread but make it like a magazine...and many more, but what can say... just look at the positive side. we're here to share and enjoy hifi together and make friends... right? Thanks to Mr Wong.

I do agree with this, there's always consequences ... high or low risk always depends and hard to be justified. Even if you buy brand new, who can guarantee 100% satisfaction ?

by dheensay on Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:16 pm

Look lets be reasonable here. There is no reason for anyone to post a comment on a buy/sell thread to begin with is there? thats what the PM is for... so you can clarify, negotiate, inquire etc.

Why haggle over prices and try to downplay what people are selling "OPENLY" unless there is a nefarious purpose. Besides, if there is a reason to query, it should be the admin who does so.

I suggest the admin or whomever is responsible for this wonderufl site lock all buy/sell threads to avoid this in the future. Please for heavens sake, keep the rubbish private. Most people who log on are just trying to find a good buy and dont want to be roped into the airing of dirty linen.

I hope someone agrees that this is a good course of action.

by tycham on Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:13 pm

dheensay wrote:

I suggest the admin or whomever is responsible for this wonderufl site lock all buy/sell threads to avoid this in the future. Please for heavens sake, keep the rubbish private. Most people who log on are just trying to find a good buy and dont want to be roped into the airing of dirty linen.

I hope someone agrees that this is a good course of action.

Can we still post a reply in the buy/sell thread? Thought it had been locked on the 21 Aug 2009.
http://www.hifi4sale.net/audio-video-equipment-for-sale-f1/announcement-please-read-t2812.htm#9431