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Post by noodle88 on Wed Dec 30, 2009 9:06 pm

Marrantz cd94 fans pls gather hare!
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Post by tycham on Wed Dec 30, 2009 9:25 pm

Oh! Double 'r' Marantz CD94! Single Crown Philips TDA1541A-S1 chipset and CDM-1 transport!.

No take on this one.
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Post by noodle88 on Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:03 pm

I have tried so many cd player, but my only preferance r marrantz player with cdm1 transport
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Post by tycham on Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:14 pm

noodle88 wrote:I have tried so many cd player, but my only preferance r marrantz player with cdm1 transport

I had seen an internal photo of the CD94 and it has a striking resemblance to my Quad 66CD. Afterall, both use the same chipset. Must be a great sounding player like the Quad.
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Post by VS126 on Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:46 pm

Quad 66CD uses CDM 4 and not CDM 1 as in the Marantz CD94/99.

They are totally different animal.
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Post by royroy on Thu Dec 31, 2009 3:54 am

well duno that cd playear so many.... coz newbie here..i think i buy cd player just choose brand only haha..thinking nad,marantz cd player is good brand....but so many model..question is...

1. r they same?
2.wat i have to think/view when wan get a new cd player?
3.coz scare when i get new cd player..the result of the sound are same...

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Post by tycham on Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:10 am

VS126 wrote:Quad 66CD uses CDM 4 and not CDM 1 as in the Marantz CD94/99.

They are totally different animal.

To be precise on the CDM4 variants, it is the CDM4/16.
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Re: Marantz CD94 CD player fans

Post by noodle88 on Thu Dec 31, 2009 7:39 pm

Cdm0 n cdm1 come with glass len n they last much longer than cdm4.

However both also built with swing arm
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Post by zeebee on Thu Dec 31, 2009 10:36 pm

noodle88 wrote:Marrantz cd94 fans pls gather hare!

Never quite own able one (can't afford it then), but remembered listening to one belonging to friend with a nice tube setup (I think Jadis) quite a number of years back in Melbourne. Very impressed when listening to Human Nature (off Michael Jackson's Thriller, Miles Davis take of the same song is great too). Somehow left quite an impression to me and till today I still can't get the same resolving detail and sweetness/smoothness of the synth and the 'marakesh' of the CD94 from this track.

My two sens worth.. Happy New Year cheers

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Post by boxer on Fri Jan 01, 2010 9:41 am

had the CD99 many yrs back but when the Audiolab CDM came along, happily traded it in. It was solidly built & heavy tho....

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Re: Marantz CD94 CD player fans

Post by mugenfoo on Fri Jan 01, 2010 10:35 am

Hey zeebee, ... do u remember what speakers were they played on, when u enjoyed the MJ songs on the marantz last time ?


zeebee wrote:

Never quite own able one (can't afford it then), but remembered listening to one belonging to friend with a nice tube setup (I think Jadis) quite a number of years back in Melbourne. Very impressed when listening to Human Nature (off Michael Jackson's Thriller, Miles Davis take of the same song is great too). Somehow left quite an impression to me and till today I still can't get the same resolving detail and sweetness/smoothness of the synth and the 'marakesh' of the CD94 from this track.

My two sens worth.. Happy New Year cheers

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Post by SVI3206A on Sun Jan 31, 2010 7:59 am

Love one of those oneday. I have 2 Marantz CD players, i love them

CD65DX, has been modified
CD50SE, also been moidifed

Love a CD94 someday, she is a beast, in size also Smile

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Post by noodle88 on Sun Jan 31, 2010 3:13 pm

Try not to mod too much, it's a good player with it's own sound character.
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Post by mugenfoo on Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:05 pm

SVI3206A wrote:Love one of those oneday. I have 2 Marantz CD players, i love them

CD65DX, has been modified
CD50SE, also been moidifed

Love a CD94 someday, she is a beast, in size also Smile

noodle88 wrote:Try not to mod too much, it's a good player with it's own sound character.

WOW !! look who decided to tell others what to do or what not to do...
If i was the one saying it, i would be labelled "GURU" instead!

What's wrong in modding a Marantz CD player ?
Even stuff like Audio Research, Conrad-Johnson equipment can be modded to suit the listener's taste!
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Post by azri on Sun Jan 31, 2010 5:19 pm

what say you on philips cd630?
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Post by mugenfoo on Sun Jan 31, 2010 5:39 pm

azri wrote:what say you on philips cd630?
noodle88 wrote:Try not to mod too much, it's a good player with it's own sound character.
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Post by zeebee on Sun Jan 31, 2010 5:46 pm

mugenfoo wrote:Hey zeebee, ... do u remember what speakers were they played on, when u enjoyed the MJ songs on the marantz last time ?

sorry bro, can't quite recall the speakers ... but hey, it's almost deja vu about 3 weeks ago when I audit a tube DAC (done locally, you can hazard a guess who Laughing) and lo and behold, the was a Marantz 94 and a TLC 1 (heavy beast) with MJ's latest 25th Anniversary, used as direct comparo or transport and of course Human Nature was on rotation. Speakers, full-range hybrid horn/full range (almost ceiling height) and a pair 300B SET with my Benchmark DAC1 also as comparo.. wow, needless to say I'd be only the 2nd person to buy the new tube DAC, hope to get it before CNY. Pity the CD 94 wasn't on sale, still wonderful as ever..

I dunno about the Benchmark, despite it's Class A rating in Stereophile, there's something not quite ___ (fill in the blank to your own liking).. Maybe partly because still 'dara lagi' not fully broken since I got it around September 09..

Anyway, shall keep u posted..
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Post by azri on Sun Jan 31, 2010 6:45 pm

ouchhh.. anyway saw one dedicated site showing cd630 modded with tubes What a Face
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Post by SVI3206A on Sun Jan 31, 2010 7:03 pm

mugenfoo wrote:
SVI3206A wrote:Love one of those oneday. I have 2 Marantz CD players, i love them

CD65DX, has been modified
CD50SE, also been moidifed

Love a CD94 someday, she is a beast, in size also Smile

noodle88 wrote:Try not to mod too much, it's a good player with it's own sound character.

WOW !! look who decided to tell others what to do or what not to do...
If i was the one saying it, i would be labelled "GURU" instead!

What's wrong in modding a Marantz CD player ?
Even stuff like Audio Research, Conrad-Johnson equipment can be modded to suit the listener's taste!

Hii Noodles Smile
I bought the Marantz CD50SE modifled and i had my tech do mods to the XCD65DX,

Hi Mugen,
There is a cool site, for modelling cd players, how i came about the idea for my CD65DX:)

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Post by noodle88 on Sun Jan 31, 2010 8:01 pm

What I mean, minor mod is ok. Not like 1 of my friend who change all the opamp in the servo, an outboard power supply with 6 transformers. Almost every parts he change. This defeats the perpose of getting a cd94. Might as well buy a cd99 transport n look for a dac/ tube dac.
I have my cd 94mk1 mod as well, maybe we can exchange our view.

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Post by SVI3206A on Mon Feb 01, 2010 4:46 am

Hey Noodles,
Gosh i would say very little changing if any for a CD94 if i got one. Its perfect, my tech said one of the best sounding cd players he's heard... but if they come up, they are $$$

The lower level marantz like mine well mods are fine.

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Post by noodle88 on Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:07 am

I do own a marrantz cd 60 also, after I took of the headphone output n digital output it sounded much quieter....
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Post by SVI3206A on Tue Feb 02, 2010 3:07 pm

I have done that with me, but did it help much with increase sound quality. It also would have the TDA1541A dac:) very nice Smile

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Post by azri on Tue Feb 02, 2010 4:03 pm

you mean took out the headphone & digital output?? what are the significant on doing that with the player being more quiet??
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Post by noodle88 on Tue Feb 02, 2010 5:18 pm

By taking out both digital n headphone out, the player will be quieter bcos digital n headphone share the same psu with other sections.

Oh yes, the 1541 is a good dac chip, I did try with 1541s1 n 1541s2 n also 1541r1. I like 1541s2 the most.
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Post by alex_kff on Tue Feb 02, 2010 6:47 pm

noodle88 wrote:By taking out both digital n headphone out, the player will be quieter bcos digital n headphone share the same psu with other sections.

Oh yes, the 1541 is a good dac chip, I did try with 1541s1 n 1541s2 n also 1541r1. I like 1541s2 the most.


1543 is much much better.

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Post by dixchen on Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:20 pm

alex_kff wrote:
noodle88 wrote:By taking out both digital n headphone out, the player will be quieter bcos digital n headphone share the same psu with other sections.

Oh yes, the 1541 is a good dac chip, I did try with 1541s1 n 1541s2 n also 1541r1. I like 1541s2 the most.


1543 is much much better.

I don't think so....its a weaker sibling of the 1541a, even 1549 sounds better.

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Post by chua55 on Wed Feb 03, 2010 1:19 am

i have modded the TDA1541a with the DEM reclocking and I2S attenuation. boy, it sounds so amazing. DEM reclocking, or Dynamic Element matching reclocking, is simply reducing the intermodulation cause by the external clock feeding into the DAC. What you hear is focus and accuracy.

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Post by noodle88 on Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:25 am

Hey guys, 1543 or 1549 chip set can it direct replace able to the 1541a in cd 94?
Cd 94 sounded good not only depands on 1541, it's cdm1 transport, glass len, complex servo circuit n servo motor, swing arm, die cast aluminium casing also contribute to the sound.
If u say outboard dac, then u need to go for cd99 transport. 1541a is more towards analog sounding . If u want more accurate n dynamic sounding? Then go for pcm63 or pcm1704 with tube output or even transformer output.

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Post by dixchen on Wed Feb 03, 2010 8:28 am

No la, pin out is different i nfact 1549 does not even have its BIG outer chip casing like the 1541A, its tiny in comparison but even the 1541A is that sized chip in a big chip casing. Quite surprised when I saw it in a site somewhere on the internet.

1549 was only used in 2 Phillips model and one Marantz model of cd players, and probably in the MIcro Mega Minium model that was sold over on these forums months ago, ultra rare.

Yea, the reason for 94 to sound so good is because of its CDM 1 swing arm mechanism. THe 94MkII in fact was reviewed as being hell of a super transport compared to many other super high end transports. IN fact I was told by the reviewer himself the 94 sounds better as a transport better than itself as a cd player for some reasons. Thus I can imagine the CD 99 to be really good as well.

Hey noodle88, did you know that the 1541A can be dynamic and analog at the same time with the right tube output stage.

It becomes a totally different animal when certain modifications are done to the DAC board. This is a very recent discovery. Does not changes its analogue sound but imagine it becomes hyper dynamic!

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Post by junchoon on Wed Feb 03, 2010 8:55 am

althought i have not heard the marantz cd94, i read very good thing about it. check out the mod:

http://www.lampizator.eu/LAMPIZATOR/REFERENCES/Marantz%20CD94/Marantz%20CD-94%20MK2.html

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Post by dixchen on Wed Feb 03, 2010 9:01 am

Notice how he has raved and talk about all players and DAC that uses the 1541A. Its really that good after valve output. The 1541a on itself is a weak I out DAC, needs valve amplication to really shine.

THat is why the new acclaimed AMR CD 777 uses the TDA1541A nos DAC chip with valve output as standard.

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Post by noodle88 on Wed Feb 03, 2010 12:43 pm

dixchen wrote:Notice how he has raved and talk about all players and DAC that uses the 1541A. Its really that good after valve output. The 1541a on itself is a weak I out DAC, needs valve amplication to really shine.

THat is why the new acclaimed AMR CD 777 uses the TDA1541A nos DAC chip with valve output as standard.

Then it's time for u to get the 1541s2 chipset, it's much accurate n dynamic. Have u put the timing cap right at the pin of 1541 chip?
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Post by dixchen on Wed Feb 03, 2010 5:40 pm

Yes I did, I put the cap like you suggested next to the pin on the socket leg and reverse in polarity cause its flows opposite ma, did it the wrong way first time ai ya so gotta desolder and re solider new ones though close to it. I have the R1, S1 Crown but cannot get the S2 crown le, damn hard to find, almost impossible.

Now the DAC is like a 1541A on steroids!

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Post by noodle88 on Wed Feb 03, 2010 5:46 pm

Bro, outer foil to the ground. Do u have it correct?
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Post by dixchen on Wed Feb 03, 2010 8:03 pm

yup, correct for sure, polarized negatively ma.

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Post by noodle88 on Wed Feb 03, 2010 8:58 pm

Then how about power bypass cap at 1541? Do u use smd ceremic cap on the 1541 pin?
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Post by chua55 on Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:52 pm

someone even uses VCAP TFTF for power supply bypass. but is it necessary. is it going to bring the biggest improvement in that department.

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Post by noodle88 on Thu Feb 04, 2010 9:48 am

I do come across people using vcap as power supply bypass cap. But I would say not in dac section. A smd ceremic will do the job well why use vcap that 1000 times more expensive, yet vcap can't do a better job at dac psu which involve Lo voltage (+5, -14 n -4). If u really go that extream then go for cog type smd.
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Post by SVI3206A on Fri Feb 05, 2010 5:15 pm

The TDA1541A dac, had a great reivew on the TNT audio site. The CD94 gets the higher version Smile

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Post by noodle88 on Fri Feb 05, 2010 5:48 pm

Infact the pcm63 also one of the good dac chip like 1541a.
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Post by chua55 on Sun Feb 07, 2010 10:56 am

I am always eager to improve the output of TDA1541a on its dynamics. Good that DX has improve it.

The fact that TDA1541a in NOS mode has 3dB drop out at high freq frightens me. putting in a sinx/x dindt help either. so i went into tube output stage with a ecc88. certainly I would like to hear out the tube on steroid.

then I tried all sorts of current mirror, simple and not so simple current out drivers. in the end, burn the DAC chip. a lesson well learnt. interestingly, the most glaring improvement in the TDA1541a has again been the DEM dynamic reclocking. It sorts of bring the TDA1541a to the TDA1541a double Crown.

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Post by noodle88 on Sun Feb 07, 2010 12:02 pm

Yes, DEM reclocking may helps. Most of the time the matching of powercord, wire output to RCA , interconnects, n RCA socket can improve it's dynamic. For example the reduction in highs in nos mod may over come by using fine solid core silver as output wire to RCA , this will enhance it's highs.

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Re: Marantz CD94 CD player fans

Post by dixchen on Sun Feb 07, 2010 3:33 pm

chua55 wrote:I am always eager to improve the output of TDA1541a on its dynamics. Good that DX has improve it.

The fact that TDA1541a in NOS mode has 3dB drop out at high freq frightens me. putting in a sinx/x dindt help either. so i went into tube output stage with a ecc88. certainly I would like to hear out the tube on steroid.

then I tried all sorts of current mirror, simple and not so simple current out drivers. in the end, burn the DAC chip. a lesson well learnt. interestingly, the most glaring improvement in the TDA1541a has again been the DEM dynamic reclocking. It sorts of bring the TDA1541a to the TDA1541a double Crown.

The ECC88 is less than ideal in a tube output stage for the weak I out TDA 1541A DAC, ( Was running that for a year) thus running the Russian 6n2p ala Lampizator style stage doesn't matter in SRPP or anode follower stage increases the gain many folds , definitely like the real steroids for the TDA 1541A dac.

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Re: Marantz CD94 CD player fans

Post by scwong on Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:11 am

I have got a philips cd 880 which uses cdm1 mk2 and a single crown 1541 chip set. But the laser head went kaput and trying very hard to find a replacement. It has been laying there for 2 years. Anyone can help? Please contact me at 012-7976055 or email at scsm6465@gmail.com

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Re: Marantz CD94 CD player fans

Post by tycham on Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:12 pm

scwong wrote:I have got a philips cd 880 which uses cdm1 mk2 and a single crown 1541 chip set. But the laser head went kaput and trying very hard to find a replacement. It has been laying there for 2 years. Anyone can help? Please contact me at 012-7976055 or email at scsm6465@gmail.com

There is a shop on the 3rd storey at Sim Lim Tower selling laser head. Maybe you could give it a try if you happen to drop by.
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Re: Marantz CD94 CD player fans

Post by noodle88 on Fri Feb 26, 2010 6:33 pm

Hey guys,
I just finish installing 14 pps smd cap to the pin of 1541a in my cd 94, the result is so so good....
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Re: Marantz CD94 CD player fans

Post by dixchen on Fri Feb 26, 2010 7:30 pm

scwong wrote:I have got a philips cd 880 which uses cdm1 mk2 and a single crown 1541 chip set. But the laser head went kaput and trying very hard to find a replacement. It has been laying there for 2 years. Anyone can help? Please contact me at 012-7976055 or email at scsm6465@gmail.com

I too have a CD 880 that I earlier thought had this problem. How did you determine that its the laser head that gone kaput? Can you list the symptoms of what its doing now?

I had the exact same problem earlier and I thought it was the same but I realize with these players, being this old the capacitors to the power supply for the laser assembly can sometimes dry out or discharge itself out when not in use for a long time. After firing it up a few times, the laser moved and since then I have been putting current through it to keep the capacitors ' charged ' up.

Mr. Oh from Old Klang road is notoriously famous for repairing these players and this is what he has advised me earlier. THe lasers have a long life span I was told of you don't actually put a disc in they do not read and thus the laser life is not compromised. What happens is that the head does not move thus it cannot read anything if it does not move thus old capacitors are a suspect.

Call him and he will be happy to help you sort it out. I know a fellow forumer here that had his Marantz 94 repaired I guess for the same problems. THese CDM's are old but they are built very tough as well.

Good luck!

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Re: Marantz CD94 CD player fans

Post by sllee on Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:44 pm

Dear all,

Does anyone willing to let go their Marantz CD94 cd player? Kindly PM me. Thanks

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Re: Marantz CD94 CD player fans

Post by azri on Thu Jun 17, 2010 2:25 pm

if you search australian ebay, theres one cdm 1 mechanism up for sale
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