Double Standard in Managing Ads

Dear Moderator,

I might be representing some our members here regards to the latest management of the most highly rated Hifi for sale or WTB in Malaysia and most probably in Singapore.
I'm not going to blame anybody here especially the dearest Moderator or Administrator of this site but just want express a bit of dissapointment on what had been happening in this hifi4sale.net.Honestly I used to advertise some stuffs here before i.e. cables/interconnect but were badly condemned by the moderator stated that I try to sell fake cables/interconnects.It was the time when I did advertised many interconnects that using Neutriks RCA plugs and yet accusing me as I made it myself.
I wonder if the dearest Moderator do realise that those interconnects are originally comes with Neutriks plugs (pls do check their website and u will understand what I meant).
Now, the big issue here is that I noticed there's a guy that have being rated as 5 stars (dealer/supplier/service provider) but yet most of his items advertised was fake or made in China and yet no action taken, no red/lock ads.
I guess u know whose that guy, recently he advertised high end power cord from Jena Labs and its totally a DIY power cord and yet no action taken neither remove the ads.
Please do forgive if I'm wrong but please do a proper checking like what u have done to me.
Sorry if my words make us uncomfortable or rude but I believe it might benefit to all.

Thank you and best regards,
B52

...Interesting new topic.

But in reality, moderators/ h4s admins obviously cannot be the guardians of whatever is being posted for sale here. Its up the the buyer/seller to be cautious, do their own fact-finding and then decide if they want to transact or not.

Ok, back to the Jena Labs item:

Now can u prove it that the advertised "Jena Labs" is a fake/DIY item? Could you also prove an "intent-to-cheat" by the seller ( i think there's a legal/latin term for it: Mens Rea ) ?
if so, please provide proof.

If u can, you'd be doing the community here a big favour and we'll know who to avoid in the FS postings. Bravo to you.


Otherwise, one "Sollehah" is more than
enough for any Forum already.... although its great for Entertaiment
factor i must admit.

I don't know if anyone has started a thread to warn unethical sellers/ or kudos to honest sellers on hifi4sale.

Just to share my recent experience, bought a power cord from ckh and due to some mis-communication after I transferred the money, I became a bit suspicious of him, but he delivered the item in perfect condition as described and I would say: thumb's up!

Thanks for B52 information. After I check the guy who post jenalabs power cord, I found out many item which his post is different from official website.
example:
PS audio xstream prelude from that guy



PS audio xstream prelude from ps audio website

Dear KKthen,

Thanks for your info and i think u've done a good job by checking thoroughly in official website of the products advertised.Now U realised what I meant.

But my dear world reknowned hifi editor/writer/commenter MR MUGEN FOO saying the opposite site.I wonder how he can involved in this hifi hobby and generously providing his so called "brilliant" comments and ideas in this forum.

Now Mr Mugen, wanna bet? If u can prove me that the Jena Labs power cord is genuine I'll give for free genuine branded cables worth RM700++ . But if u are wrong u also have to give something equivalent or maybe less like turntables or cartridge (since I'm not that cruel)....Dare to Deal BRO?

What we can do is very simple :-
1. Check out Jena Labs officiial website and see is there any power cords
same as advertised in this hifi4sale.net.
2. Took some photos and send to Jena Labs customer service and ask for their
feedback.(shown a copy of their reply for prove)

Tq,
B52

B52, its not my intention to challenge you, but just that we need to be 100% that what people posted in FS are really fakes or not.

in fact, i think i also have the same suspicions of the seller posting fake items for sale ... but i am just worried that if we are wrong, it would be a very bad case of defamation.... So i wont go so far as to factually state that their is a total fake unless there is conclusive evidence.

After seeing who is the person posting the Jena labs cable for sale, and the PS Audio power cord, I am also of some suspicion of the XLO power cords posted by the same guy as well. Those XLO power cords seem to have shade of the "wrong colour" that I am used to seeing... But i am still NOT 100% sure. Coz the pictures taken by cameras could bleed the colour shade, etc etc.

If the seller wants to save his reputation, maybe he can post more proof that the cables he is selling are genuine stuffs, (maybe show a photo of the internals or etc...).

so B52, calm down and don't get your knickers in a bunch here. Its good that you're helping to point out fakes for sale in the forum. But if u can go the extra mile like how kkthen did, and post the links directly, then its a plus point for the benefit of all here (except for the guy trying to sell fake stuff lah).

mr Digitaltech is one such victim of false accusations (from none other than Sollehah). So lets be 100% sure and not end up doing a fitnah on any of the sellers here. But if the sellers are really selling fake stuff, then they deserved to be totally exposed and shamed for the con-mans they are.

Bros,

Just check out the Crystal Cable Piccolo just posted for sale a couple of minutes ago with the one here on this webpage: http://show.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/st.pl?cablintr&1251906516&item&Audiorevelation

Go figure

cheers,

zb

guys...thanks for highlighting the above matter.......very good thread for all for us..now we know who's who and whats what

wsyam wrote:guys...thanks for highlighting the above matter.......very good thread for all for us..now we know who's who and whats what

It's not so much about pointing fingers to anyone in particular but as buyers (and sellers) we have to check out the products ourselves before committing our hard earned ringgit and sens.

I suppose, the sellers could advertise/post the product as 'immitation ____ (product name)' if he knowingly flog-off such product (I suppose subject to approval by the Administrator). I remembered a thread here suggesting using 'fake Oyaide plugs' for some DIY powercord thingy discussed here .. . Anyway, buyers beware..

cheers,

zb

My Dearest hifi Brothers,

The reason i'm pointing out this issue is to create some awareness to buyers and also to the dearest Admin/Moderator.I've been following this site since it was known as hifi4sale.blogspot in those early days.I do understand the trouble and hassle for Moderator of managing this site (and being informed that they,Moderator and Admin do it for free...charity works ).

But what really don't understand why sometimes seller being blocked/red lock ads without further notification and yet some obviously suspicious ads done nothing (like closing one eyes & no action taken).Furthermore its came from the highly rated 5 star seller (not all but only very little).

That's the reason why I was being called or forced to comment and stating "Double Standard".I might be wrong in somewhere but I also might be right in something else.

No wonders I saw lots of high end hifi stuffs being advertised in Mudah.my,maybe it is more convenience and easier.....I guess.

Sorry again to the dearest Moderator and Administrator for being a bit unpolitely or outspoken.

Don't Worry Be Happy and Enjoy your hifi Life.

Tq
B52

u know, that crystal cable piccolo does look different

zeebee wrote:Bros,

Just check out the Crystal Cable Piccolo just posted for sale a couple of minutes ago with the one here on this webpage: http://show.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/st.pl?cablintr&1251906516&item&Audiorevelation

Go figure

cheers,

zb

apparently the cable is SOLD???

I say a good margin of products posted by the said users are entirely different looking that the product pictures posted on the manufacturer's site. Not implying anything, but it certainly looks fishy and I'd recommend not taking any chances in buying the said products.


Instead of getting a bargain, might become a "waterfish".

Aiyah....
now i feel silly for buying. Wonder why this seller, and the admin are mum on this issue. I remember quite clearly how fast sollehah was crucified. (ps. at least he sold genuine articles + you got all the info, and then some...that you needed)

sollehah wasn't really crucified .... but just left on his/her own accord after hurling accusations at another fellow regular seller.

Hi MF,
As i recollect, he did go overboard with some of his accusations, and as a result, quite a few people jumped on the wagon when the opportunity came to tell him off. Some were valid, while others were straw hats.

Lets take B52 in this case...Heres a guy who is a seller and making a claim ala Sollehah that another seller is falsifying claims about products and therefore should be reprehended. Hence I wonder if the admin/moderators will inquiry after his claim. If B52 is wrong, then he should be asked to leave the forum. After all, that was also what happened with Sollehah.

"Not only must Justice be done; it must also be seen to be done".

Although this is an open forum where buyers/sellers agree to a price, products sold as originals whereas they are not, quite simply means legal action can be taken.

Gents,
For what it's worth, even being silent on this matter (now) you could say that the Administrator and Moderator are being fair as we are allowed to have our say in this thread. It's really up to us buyers to be smart enough or be cautious. If you have been forewarned about a product but yet decided to buy the goods, then the onus is on you, i.e serves you right

cheers,

zb....

My view is that at times buyers are gullible on a product that has been advertised for sale especially when it involves a reduce cost for a branded item or so called branded item and everything else gets cloudy.

Until reality strikes..... and some keep silent due to being embarass or some voice it out .

I would like to reference this to a well establish dealer who markets products from the emerging markets with their individual branding and never riding on another brand. And proudly trumpets about it. He is being upfront and no bluffs.

You haven been forwarned and still proceed then it is the buyers onus entirely.

But if you are mislead / false advertising then its a different issue all together.......

This is where the custodians of this Forums impartiality / controls / standards / policies are in the wanting zone .....

If there is adherence then it reflects to the caption :

"A tasteful online marketplace to find wonderful deals & bargains for hi-fi audio & video equipment in Malaysia/Singapore"

Unless there is an avenue wanting to promote clone products then there should be some sort of notice to the would be buyers. After which its the buyer and sellers onus.

cheers

mr. hifi4sale admin... what say you here ?

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The admin sayeth nothing. So that means, boys and girls, you're on your own here. The admin cannot possibly be burdened to be the guardian watchdog of all items being put up for transaction in this forum. He/she is after all already providing a community service to the fellow forummers here already. Lets not demand a mile when the admin/forum owner is already giving alot of us here many-many yards already.

... and already already!