setups of this capability...

ur aware of any setup which is capable of misleading the listener to "miss-perceive" tt the physical floor (aka floor on which his chair rests on) "extends fwd & merge/join" with the recorded floor (aka floor on which the recording took place)???

in other words, me asking if ur aware of any setup which allows the "miss-perception" of sitting on the same floor with musicians


pls tell openly or pm me then! of course only if u understand my question he hheh...





thx/rgds

Here:

http://www.hifi4sale.net/equipment-discussions-f6/pc-based-audio-systems-anyone-here-use-them-t2241.htm

As quoted by kowtim-

One could close their eyes and almost imagine themselves being able to walk around the various instruments in the room. The illusion of space around things aspect was at a level that I have never heard equalled since.

the only system that i hv heard so far which led the listener to be "misperceived" and gave him the illusion that that he was standing alongside the musicians/singers on the stage/studio was a system featuring the jbl everest 66000 II speakers.

whether it was a natural presentation is another story.

the jbl everests will be on demo at the kliav. so have a listen and be "misperceived".

got..i went to my fren place, a nice small aircon room, with his Tannoy fullrange 12incher vintage, driving with Healthkit W-5M pair, JumPan preamp, Revox CD player, playing Jazz at the PawnShop CD. and dimmed light. I really tot I am sitting in a smolky bar..gosh !

Got! I listen to Krell master references driving JM Lab Grande Utopia! As if I'm there la!!!!!

wabun wrote:got..i went to my fren place, a nice small aircon room, with his Tannoy fullrange 12incher vintage, driving with Healthkit W-5M pair, JumPan preamp, Revox CD player, playing Jazz at the PawnShop CD. and dimmed light. I really tot I am sitting in a smolky bar..gosh !

imagine u listen to music recorded in cathedral, when size of musicians & the respective distances are strongly correlated... when the floor on which yr chair rests "somehow" psychoacoustically extends to "merge/join" with floor of the cathedral...

i see this capability as more profound than having physical air well blended with the recorded ambience eh! smaller setup like mine can never achieve this scaling to mislead to perceiving "sitting on the same floor with musicians" sigh...

it's surely not about "smelling the smoke" in a pub neither the odour of sexy vocalists, but believably good scaling of the sonic picture eh!!!


try again dudes, any setup???

Got... when I sleep tonite... ( dream )

wabun wrote:Got... when I sleep tonite... ( dream )

Of coz ... imagination and dreams are FOC.

Imagination and Dreams are free but just like an iPod with earbuds, only you get to hear it alone. For a few bucks more you could always buy a Mark Levinson or two and never look back. Until the repo man comes a knockin.

Meanwhile, I think I'm almost there...

sflam wrote:the only system that i hv heard so far which led the listener to be "misperceived" and gave him the illusion that that he was standing alongside the musicians/singers on the stage/studio was a system featuring the jbl everest 66000 II speakers.

whether it was a natural presentation is another story.

the jbl everests will be on demo at the kliav. so have a listen and be "misperceived".

Mine is not a hi-fi demo. I tested out the opening scene of 'Top Gun'. What the....... The realism being on the USS Carrier deck is ear deafening with the engines roar . My pants flapping, my body is being 'pushed' by the massive amount of air being moved by it. I would have died of heart attack if I stay there for another 30 minutes or so.

The Project Everest 66000 is insanely loud and punchy. I should have tried it out with Saving Private Ryan's Omaha Beach Sequence. Nevermind, it will be on demo in KLIAV.

HTKAKI, just your pants flapping ? Was anything else "flapping" as well ?

LOL..... It's intact. I'll bring you to experience Project Everest when it is here again. I suppose that it should be in the showroom in another 2-3weeks time.

htkaki wrote:LOL..... It's intact. I'll bring you to experience Project Everest when it is here again. I suppose that it should be in the showroom in another 2-3weeks time.

Thanks, Looking forward to it !

things go flapping when you're shaving ryan's private . i've also experienced breathtaking HT setups. to the point where breathing is no more "linear" due to realism and high db levels. nice.

Want pants flapping, easy...just add few 15 or 18 inch sealed subwoofers in av system "regardless" of the overall sound balance.

yeah. make a futon or couch outta the subs. then, "things" get bouncy too . but seriously, i miss good old ryan's bullets flying from FR to RL. for now, its just plain 2 channel stereo.

looking forward to experience the everest. size does matter after all i guess...

mugenfoo wrote:

htkaki wrote:LOL..... It's intact. I'll bring you to experience Project Everest when it is here again. I suppose that it should be in the showroom in another 2-3weeks time.

Thanks, Looking forward to it !

I shall til the Revel Ultima Salon 2 is here too. Then, can do a A B comparison.

Want pants flapping, easy...just add few 15 or 18 inch sealed subwoofers in av system "regardless" of the overall sound balance.

The P.E. 66000 system is being calibrated properly. It is a 4.2 system. No center channel. P.E. 66000 taking over the task with very good result. Not surprising for the asking price.

The output from these is at insanely high dB.

The P.E 66000 was quite an experience.
They showed movies with these speakers and the experience was thrilling.
The output from the speakers was tremendous.
Forgot to mention that they are huge too.

tlkoo wrote:

wabun wrote:got..i went to my fren place, a nice small aircon room, with his Tannoy fullrange 12incher vintage, driving with Healthkit W-5M pair, JumPan preamp, Revox CD player, playing Jazz at the PawnShop CD. and dimmed light. I really tot I am sitting in a smolky bar..gosh !

imagine u listen to music recorded in cathedral, when size of musicians & the respective distances are strongly correlated... when the floor on which yr chair rests "somehow" psychoacoustically extends to "merge/join" with floor of the cathedral...

i see this capability as more profound than having physical air well blended with the recorded ambience eh! smaller setup like mine can never achieve this scaling to mislead to perceiving "sitting on the same floor with musicians" sigh...

it's surely not about "smelling the smoke" in a pub neither the odour of sexy vocalists, but believably good scaling of the sonic picture eh!!!


try again dudes, any setup???

Not impossible at all and in fact very achievable but it all involves a highly accurate and real linear sounding SET system using highly specific custom built gear ( line stage and amplifiers) utilizing only old school DHT's with zero NFB ( their ability to reproduce accurate and ' real ' sounding music is really remarkable)....miniature 9 pin triodes need not apply here.

But the most important still comes from the quality of the source, turntables aside, cd sources have to be beyond just $$$$$ of today's commercial gear, customized designs with outputs that doesn't run on op amps, sophisticated well built transports and state of the art digital processing gear from the likes of for ex...DCS. Many people do not pay enough attention to this area. ( End of the day you still listen to what is being fed to your amplifiers and speakers)

Lastly, a pair of super efficient single point source full range speaker/driver's ( > 99db/w sensitivity ) or horn drivers for ex. klipsch horns for the most accurate imaging and presentation on the soundstage. Big drivers much preferred of course...

Switch off the lights and be transported to the actual ' venue '...

Dixchen,

U forgot mentioning about a gud tube transfomer couple peramp...

This kind of system very familiar, where do I come across???

Hi Dixchen,

Pure ac power is also very important for your mentioned system to perform their best.

hughesths wrote:Hi Dixchen,

Pure ac power is also very important for your mentioned system to perform their best.

Yes indeed, I am running an ac regeneration unit for my sources as well as Balanced isolation transformers for my amplifiers with excellent results especially where the ac in my housing area is particularly ' contaminated ' with line borne noises and fluctuations are between 213 to 237 v between day and night!

noodle88 wrote:Dixchen,

U forgot mentioning about a gud tube transfomer couple peramp...

This kind of system very familiar, where do I come across???

Of course not to mention DHT line stages or preamps, be it transformer coupled or direct coupled, a crucial stage in voicing low gain wonderful souding DHT amplifiers.

I believe you are one of the few that have ventured into such extreme systems, my next project in line will be a Type 26 DHT linestage, supposingly the king of all DHT's, making it extremely suitable for a pre amp, but getting the hum down in AC heaters will be a challenge...

dixchen wrote:

tlkoo wrote:

wabun wrote:got..i went to my fren place, a nice small aircon room, with his Tannoy fullrange 12incher vintage, driving with Healthkit W-5M pair, JumPan preamp, Revox CD player, playing Jazz at the PawnShop CD. and dimmed light. I really tot I am sitting in a smolky bar..gosh !

imagine u listen to music recorded in cathedral, when size of musicians & the respective distances are strongly correlated... when the floor on which yr chair rests "somehow" psychoacoustically extends to "merge/join" with floor of the cathedral...

i see this capability as more profound than having physical air well blended with the recorded ambience eh! smaller setup like mine can never achieve this scaling to mislead to perceiving "sitting on the same floor with musicians" sigh...

it's surely not about "smelling the smoke" in a pub neither the odour of sexy vocalists, but believably good scaling of the sonic picture eh!!!


try again dudes, any setup???

Not impossible at all and in fact very achievable but it all involves a highly accurate and real linear sounding SET system using highly specific custom built gear ( line stage and amplifiers) utilizing only old school DHT's with zero NFB ( their ability to reproduce accurate and ' real ' sounding music is really remarkable)....miniature 9 pin triodes need not apply here.

But the most important still comes from the quality of the source, turntables aside, cd sources have to be beyond just $$$$$ of today's commercial gear, customized designs with outputs that doesn't run on op amps, sophisticated well built transports and state of the art digital processing gear from the likes of for ex...DCS. Many people do not pay enough attention to this area. ( End of the day you still listen to what is being fed to your amplifiers and speakers)

Lastly, a pair of super efficient single point source full range speaker/driver's ( > 99db/w sensitivity ) or horn drivers for ex. klipsch horns for the most accurate imaging and presentation on the soundstage. Big drivers much preferred of course...

Switch off the lights and be transported to the actual ' venue '...

can u openly/quietly tell me where to locate these setups?
must be single ended triode amplification driving highly sensitive spkrs to achieve? ss amplifications stand no chance? 82.5db spkrs cld never achieve this kah? pls name a few good sources, whether cd, lp or reel2reel...


nb: no interrogation but innocent questions!!!




cheers

Kind to share with us what you are using at the moment?

dixchen wrote:Kind to share with us what you are using at the moment?

zero sampling dgsource, chip-based pre, idht pwr +vint germ spkrs <99db, care to tell yrs... oh ya, dont get me wrong in claiming capable setup, rather me asking such for visits thus drum roll to usher yr answers... essentially more importantly, point me to such capable setups will do neednt tell me what ingredients to make such capable setups


oh dixchen, i may recall tt limch once brought u to my den, which means we know each other eh!!! time to return u a visit, if u may allow...







many thx/rgds

sflam wrote:the only system that i hv heard so far which led the listener to be "misperceived" and gave him the illusion that that he was standing alongside the musicians/singers on the stage/studio was a system featuring the jbl everest 66000 II speakers.

whether it was a natural presentation is another story.

the jbl everests will be on demo at the kliav. so have a listen and be "misperceived".

where is it located?
oh ya sflam, u visit the kemayan shop freqly?




cheers

tycham wrote:Here:

http://www.hifi4sale.net/equipment-discussions-f6/pc-based-audio-systems-anyone-here-use-them-t2241.htm

As quoted by kowtim-

One could close their eyes and almost imagine themselves being able to walk around the various instruments in the room. The illusion of space around things aspect was at a level that I have never heard equalled since.

i think i know kowtim who shd be one restraining himself from being fooled by psychoacoustics leh!!! i'm surprised to hv read his comment as quoted

bimmerman wrote:Imagination and Dreams are free but just like an iPod with earbuds, only you get to hear it alone. For a few bucks more you could always buy a Mark Levinson or two and never look back. Until the repo man comes a knockin.

Meanwhile, I think I'm almost there...

congrats to be almost there!!!

To get into the music , u need to have a system that's very quiet n have ultra low noise floor. I just received my ultimate 2a3 preamp with amosphas core line input n output trans. With it, I'm being pull into the music as I m in where the music too place. Thanks for the tranfomer couple, as tranfomer line output don't store energy like caps do n it also have zero phase shift. It's just worth the efford

tlkoo,

i heard the jbl everests at Flagship AV in The Waterfront@Parkcity, Desa Park City, Kuala Lumpur.

the speakers hv been sold and another pair has been ordered.

chk with htkaki to find out more.

Noodle88,

How many can even get to even understand proper tube circuits enough what more transformer coupling. The idea is that with a proper designed SET circuit using the right tubes and of course speakers, we are able to recreate a soundstage where each musician/instrument played are reproduced in the most accurate manner to a point that they occupy the respective space in the soundstage to recreate that effect in which to make you believe that you are there on the same stage right there in your own room!


2a3 for a preamp? Why not try old DHT's such as the type 26 tube also using trans to couple input/output. Bit hard to find though..

Without using full trans to couple also it is achievable la, provided you don't use too large and excessive no. of coupling capacitors in the circuit, we can't really detect the phase shift effect or can we? Trans with a wide bandwidth do not come cheap le and not many can design and build it unless you get a SET guru to do it. I know there is one around that lives in KL la..

Dixchen,

Trust me transfomer couple is far superior than using cap coupling, cap do store energy but transfomer don't . The moment my sifu make me a amosphase core transfomer couple dac, I retired my PCM 63y tube dac. The trans dac just take the output of the pcm63, going true a resistor as IV n than direct couple with trans. The outcome is so gud, very relex, open, fast, detail n he did managed to do it super low noise. I think u know him, talk to him when u have the chance.

Now, I play my system only at low volume, as it's give me all the music contain in the cd or LP.

Some of u might disagree with me but hi bandwidth n extra low noise set system with transfomer couple all the way is what hi end Hifi is all about.

But first of all, u need to know a sifu that can design n built such system for u and prepare to sell your car or house to own such a system.

Good luck to all.

If given a chance I would really like to hear it out... may well be the next stage from where I am now la.

I don't doubt that trans coupling is the way though but not easy to build though...

trans coupled, DHT..etc..Why not try the LDR ?

wabun wrote:trans coupled, DHT..etc..Why not try the LDR ?

Like this one here: http://sites.thestar.com.my/audio/story.asp?file=/2010/4/12/afreviews/6001894&sec=afreviews

wabun wrote:trans coupled, DHT..etc..Why not try the LDR ?

Wabun,

My friend tried the LDR years ago but it just don't work in his system. According to my designer, I need 10db gain to drive my 300b poweramp. I don't think the LDR will work here. I do prefer transfomer volume over LDR

I do prefer transfomer volume over LDR

in your 300B system ? Maybe active preamp will provide better drive and synergy

sflam wrote:tlkoo,

i heard the jbl everests at Flagship AV in The Waterfront@Parkcity, Desa Park City, Kuala Lumpur.

the speakers hv been sold and another pair has been ordered.

chk with htkaki to find out more.

The new pair of JBL 66000 will be at Flagship in another fortnight or so along with JBL Array 1400.

Have to run it in before the show. I am hoping that the Revel Ultima Salon 2 to be here at about the same time too so that I can audition it

wabun wrote:

I do prefer transfomer volume over LDR

in your 300B system ? Maybe active preamp will provide better drive and synergy

Some don't like the coloring of specific tubes in an active preamp. In my case I integrated both the TVC and the active linestage to get the best of both worlds. volume controls should be lossless in any case.

noodle88 wrote:Dixchen,

Trust me transfomer couple is far superior than using cap coupling, cap do store energy but transfomer don't . The moment my sifu make me a amosphase core transfomer couple dac, I retired my PCM 63y tube dac. The trans dac just take the output of the pcm63, going true a resistor as IV n than direct couple with trans. The outcome is so gud, very relex, open, fast, detail n he did managed to do it super low noise. I think u know him, talk to him when u have the chance.

Now, I play my system only at low volume, as it's give me all the music contain in the cd or LP.

Some of u might disagree with me but hi bandwidth n extra low noise set system with transfomer couple all the way is what hi end Hifi is all about.

But first of all, u need to know a sifu that can design n built such system for u and prepare to sell your car or house to own such a system.

Good luck to all.

hi sifu... may b i m new here... Noodle88:i see u mentioned of pre and power amps. but i dont have any idea of it. i m find more interest in knowing ur transport and dac in a more detail forms like circuit and picture if don't mind.. of course, if there is any modifications upgrade info on ur transport n dac is most appreciated.
i personally more interest in signal processing... yeah.. yap, did told me that someone replaced dual pcm63 to one 1704, no fight in between chip swap. LOL.. heard of that?

thanks..

you know, in this case, wacthing porn is way much easier & more the 'feel'

Lga775,

I'm using marrantz cd99 as transport, for dac i own a sds lab Tubedac 3.0 which is base on pcm63. Later on, my sifu upgrade the board layout by implement some low noise technique into it. Further to that, he took out the tube stage n replace with a amosphase core step up transfomer.

As for foto, pls pm me your email cos. My iPhone can't put it up my foto here.

As for pcm63 piggy back, I notice a big improvement as I change my piggy back pcm63pk into a single 63y laser engraved. The 63y stamp is even better than the laser engraved ones. Changed the pcm63y to pcm1704, their peformance r comparable. U need to fulfill the voltage requirement of 1704 b4 changing the 63 into 1704. U also need to change the value of the iv resistor.
Anything u may seek help from Yap, he can help u on this.

Maybe this may be of some help after reading ..........


http://www.high-endaudio.com/rec.html#Ovr