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MF,

Seems that you have found a new toy and cannot stop talking about it.
Are you trying to tell those who are not into vinyl that they know sh*t about sound?

And a warm welcome to Nil.

Good days to you , Mr VS126.

Nil wrote:Mf,

Your very well understanding of a hermaphrodite has obviously explained your true gender .

Hey, its not my gender's that's in question here .... but no worres, i'm actually defending your ambiguity since some other forummer seems to take such an interest and forgetting about hifi instead. Some other forummers are so hung up over your gender right?.... so, i'm just saying .. who cares ??!! Lets spin some vinyl instead !

VS126 wrote:MF,

Seems that you have found a new toy and cannot stop talking about it.
Are you trying to tell those who are not into vinyl that they know sh*t about sound?

And a warm welcome to Nil.

Vince, you said the above. Not me.

I'm only saying, remember to go play more hifi which includes the realm of analog turntables also.

Besides, i've found a very novel way to dial-in TT setups, with the help of a Behringer AD-Coverter and a digital-domain oscilloscope & audio spectrum analyser.

So there u have it . Synergy of both analog and digital mediums.

But I still maintain that digital music sources still sounds "harsh" compared to analog mediums. Who knows? Maybe the "harsh" sound is closer and truer to the original sound?




OK everybody lighten up and Wank-Chung tonight. It's FRIDAY !!

Winston Ma's listen room has a sloping ceiling...........

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Churches too constructed with sloping ceilings.

http://www.church-acoustics.com/faq-church-acoustics.htm


A slightly sloped ceiling still keeps the sound of
congregational
singing within the congregation, where it belongs, just
like a
flat ceiling does, which is good.
Flat ceilings are not good, though. All sounds that hit
the flat
ceiling are reflected back down to the floor at the same
time.
The timing for floor-ceiling reflections is the same
everywhere
in the church. This creates a horrible droning tone
problem.
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http://asa.aip.org/classroom/booklet.html

ACOUSTICAL GUIDELINES

FOR SPECIAL ROOMS



A

flat ceiling will send all reflections to the back

of the hall, so sections of the ceiling should

be angled to spread reflections throughout

the audience. Convex diffusing panels

shaped like pyramids or cylinders or special

“QRD” diffusers help scatter sound

throughout the auditorium and reduce

discrete echoes. Walls can be covered with

heavy drapery that slides horizontally or

rises vertically to add absorption when

necessary and remove it when unnecessary.





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http://books.google.com.my/books?id=29sDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA916&lpg=PA916&dq=sloping+ceiling+provide+for+good+acoustics&source=bl&ots=K1VIB_ohOE&sig=uXjBiYYAi5QOeA98EYm_KW-fHsI&hl=en&ei=M1MkTNq8DY-ZrAfD7vXoBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CD0Q6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q&f=false

The sloping ceiling gives good acoustics without
echoes, and the softboard wall absorbs sound so that you may enjoy music
without disturbing the ...

http://www.audioholics.com/education/acoustics-principles/getting-the-right-acoustics-for-your-listening-room


Is the ceiling flat. That's a huge flat untreated surface and we would
like to break up the surface energy. There are a variety of ways to do
this. One of the most complex, but beautiful ways is a coffered ceiling.


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http://windowsdevcenter.com/pub/a/oreilly/digitalmedia/2008/10/16/review-blue-snowflake-mic-thing.html?page=last

whether you're in a big room or a small room. You will get a
different sound in a box-shaped room versus one with a sloping
ceiling. ...

Mastering
audio: the art and the science - Google Books Result

Bob Katz - 2007 - Technology & Engineering
- 334 pages


Dimensions should be symmetrical from left to right and a sloping
ceiling is an advantage as it reduces floor to ceiling reflections.

Uncle Vic, I've read somewhere the best is all 6 walls are not parallel. So as you mentioned, sloping ceiling (assuming floor is level), sloping front wall (rear wall is upright), left wall and right wall closer together at the front, and further apart at the rear.

Furthermore, left and right wall spacing is smaller near ground and bigger at ceiling.

I will let you guys worry about sloping ceilings / walls and multiple subs ..yikes...and whatever.

I am now enjoying my Shelby Lynne CD (sorry MF, not vinyl) from my Pioneer Mini Compo without any acoustic problem whatsoever.

After you guys put the tweaking ideas behind you, then you will start to appreaciate the music more. Do not be so critical, life is short.

VS126, I'm looking for this Shelby Lynne CD where she does Dusty Springfield songs, but only find made in Malaysia pressing ones. Do you know where the imported version can be found please?

My fren got it for me. Maybe love music at Ampamg Park. I will ask my fren. Wait until Hifi show then there will be lots of goodies at discounted prices. Heard that her latest album is also a killer but I cannot find it here in Malaysia yet.

mugenfoo wrote:

But I still maintain that digital music sources still sounds "harsh" compared to analog mediums. Who knows? Maybe the "harsh" sound is closer and truer to the original sound?




OK everybody lighten up and Wank-Chung tonight. It's FRIDAY !!

Hey Moogie, sounds like you have a bad case of Micky-fremeritis dude. Or in simple terms, vinyl poisoning.

Fret not, there is a simple cure but it will cost you plenty. You need to purge your system of all things vinyl and subject yourself to hours or even days of 24/192 radiation. You can also try 24/96 but it may not be enough if your vinyl addiction is acute.

Take a couple o'dozen SACDs or hi-rez downloads and call me in the morning.

Or better still just Wank-chung! Everybody Wank-chung tonight!!

Nil wrote:

tlkoo wrote:

Nil wrote:Another typical sarcastic and rude forummer with nothing to do but to only find fault on someone.

Are you an audiophile or just fault finder?

Just enjoy your hifi and be nice to all audiophiles.
We audiophiles are like brothers, aren't we?

male & female can't be brothers but lovers

you are female, aren't you?

A womanisers only treat female lovers. So, are you womaniser, Mr tlkoo?

i'm lesbian

bimmerman wrote:

mugenfoo wrote:

But I still maintain that digital music sources still sounds "harsh" compared to analog mediums. Who knows? Maybe the "harsh" sound is closer and truer to the original sound?




OK everybody lighten up and Wank-Chung tonight. It's FRIDAY !!

Hey Moogie, sounds like you have a bad case of Micky-fremeritis dude. Or in simple terms, vinyl poisoning.

Fret not, there is a simple cure but it will cost you plenty. You need to purge your system of all things vinyl and subject yourself to hours or even days of 24/192 radiation. You can also try 24/96 but it may not be enough if your vinyl addiction is acute.

Take a couple o'dozen SACDs or hi-rez downloads and call me in the morning.

Or better still just Wank-chung! Everybody Wank-chung tonight!!

Beemie ... its your digital disease that needs curing !
So when u gonna get your thorens properly set-up'ed ?

Already tried up-sampling and up-bit'ing 24/96 onto original 16/44.1 source at that cheras place recently remember ? The results ain't really what u can call a total improvement.


Or issit u takut nanti that 30 year old hunk of metal might just take
ol' Marky Mark for a joyride around the sonic highway ? Its ok , you have nothing to fear for (except your wallet and spouse lah, but that is beyond anyone else's control ya....)

WANK-CHUNG !

uncle_vic wrote:Mastering
audio: the art and the science - Google Books Result

Bob Katz - 2007 - Technology & Engineering
- 334 pages


Dimensions should be symmetrical from left to right and a sloping
ceiling is an advantage as it reduces floor to ceiling reflections.

Did u buy this book already?

MF,

To properly assess, you have to listen to native 24/192 file without upsampling or oversampling audio file and yr DAC must be able to accept 24/192 native, again without upsampling.

I can let you have some native 24/192 files to test but I doubt you have the DAC to do justice to it.

Even AYRE OB9 DAC only does 24/96 and any hirez 192 file thru it will be downsampled down to 24/96. Many other DAC which claimed to do 24/192 are mostly upsampled version.

To make a fair assessment, you must actually use native and not upsampled DAC and source. Yr PC and operating system also makes a hugh diffwerence.

mugenfoo wrote:
Beemie ... its your digital disease that needs curing !
So when u gonna get your thorens properly set-up'ed ?

Already tried up-sampling and up-bit'ing 24/96 onto original 16/44.1 source at that cheras place recently remember ? The results ain't really what u can call a total improvement.


Or issit u takut nanti that 30 year old hunk of metal might just take
ol' Marky Mark for a joyride around the sonic highway ? Its ok , you have nothing to fear for (except your wallet and spouse lah, but that is beyond anyone else's control ya....)

WANK-CHUNG !

Good morning bro and a happy Saturday morning Wank Chung to you too.

Yeah, i've been totally neglecting my Thorens of late. Still waiting for that illusive bonus that was promised since march. Need to get a spanking phono amp.

Bro that Foobar upsampling we heard was 16/44.1 upsampled to 24/96. The resolution was not there to begin with so it don't count. I'm curious to try out native 24/96 and beyond for my curious ears. It's potentially higher rez than vinyl sans surface noise. But of course it's going to be expensive lah.

BTW, that Marky Mark is sounding really good of late. There is some sort of synergy going on with my KAV300i and Minima Amator. Hopefully I can do up my music room before year end and have you over for a listen real soon. Admittedly though, there is still something desirable about that old Thorens sound even with a Nad PP2.

mugenfoo wrote:

uncle_vic wrote:Mastering
audio: the art and the science - Google Books Result

Bob Katz - 2007 - Technology & Engineering
- 334 pages


Dimensions should be symmetrical from left to right and a sloping
ceiling is an advantage as it reduces floor to ceiling reflections.

Did u buy this book already?

I suggest reading this book by contemporary philosopher, Dr Adler first.