Hifi is sharing experience

ever notice audiophile always like to invite ppl to his house to listen their setup ? they gain satisfaction by sharing with others instead of just own the equipment and enjoy it him/herself

mr innocent wabun, if a host gets only criticisms whether constructive or destructive, you reckon he enjoys "sharing" of his experience?

mostly audiophiles do invite to gain acknowledgement of good sound/progress the hosts have in mind as the premise, but not "sharing" lah...

should we revert to the fundamental sense of the word "sharing", likely as it may be, when i don't agree with your good sound/progress there occurs no "sharing" eh!!! what is there to "share" eh???

once anyone has come to some stage of self-realisation in music reproduction pursuit, he has less time/enthusiasm to "share" since his music albums could be staring awaiting their turns to be kissed by the laser lens eh!!!



whilst his level of self-realisation may or may not be agreed, but who cares??? so... enjoy your music, have your door closed but never have bona fide visitors locked out!!! which also means: don't invite, but welcome





cheers
tlkoo

Only those who wants to show off will want to invite. True music lovers who owns high end systems will keep it to themselves, not that they are selfish but they see no need to tell others as it is a personal self gratification item.

Those who tell the world whenever an upgrade or component change is never a music lover but component lover and show offs.

I have known so many super high end owners who will never open their doors to others. They get satisfaction listening to their systems and not wait for someone to tell them that it is good.

They know it is good.

So, Wabun...do you always invite?

VS126 wrote:Only those who wants to show off will want to invite. True music lovers who owns high end systems will keep it to themselves, not that they are selfish but they see no need to tell others as it is a personal self gratification item.

Those who tell the world whenever an upgrade or component change is never a music lover but component lover and show offs.

I have known so many super high end owners who will never open their doors to others. They get satisfaction listening to their systems and not wait for someone to tell them that it is good.

They know it is good.

So, Wabun...do you always invite?

Disagree!

Those would like to invite others, doesn't mean is showing off. Those "true music lovers who owns high end systems will keep it to themselves", doesn't mean is knowing best sound. Do not judge the audiophile or music loves of whole world by your extreme prejudice.

Every coin has 2 faces, not 1. We hope your opinion is always considering both sides as well.

Cheers,
Sam

Sam, agree with you.

Sharing is caring

It is not about show-off.
For beginner, I think 2nd opinion is very important in building a HiFi system. It is a process of learning, if no teaching or comment or reference you end up syok sendiri only.
Maybe the old bird is different, I don't know cause I am not that level yet.

kwwong wrote:It is not about show-off.
For beginner, I think 2nd opinion is very important in building a HiFi system. It is a process of learning, if no teaching or comment or reference you end up syok sendiri only.
Maybe the old bird is different, I don't know cause I am not that level yet.

3rd and 4th opinion are equally important. We must invite and be invited too. Your learn faster and more this way.

'sharing' here maybe means sharing story and sound only.
equipment, cost, tnb bills and wife nagging is to keep by himself haha..

To invite is not the same as being invited..

Opening a can of worms here, what I am saying is to enjoy yr music and do not worry too much about the equipment.

Too often I heard how one modified this and that and treading new frontiers. Do they really??

Buy the equipment that you can afford and believe in the designers. Listening to this and that guru will lead you into confusion land. Most self confess gurus have a leaning to certain signature sound that they like, but do you?

Trust in yourself,. Most importantly, enjoy yr music. So what if yr sound is not tonally perfect, staging not good. Are they real? Do they have that pin point staging in live events?

Gather for a cup of tea and chat is a different thing.

As for Sam, what is best sound??? To you or to me??

I totally disagree what VS126 said.

Since Hifi4sale.blogspot start, i have invite more then 20 people come to my Hifi room.

me & yhsam have been invited more then 10 times for audition... do you mean they are just showing off??

you never try you never know.. the more you audit others, you will know what most you like ..

If an unbiased, honest and experienced golden ears is invited, he could correctly point out the weakness of our system, thus time saved for the system improvement.

The best sound is in the "ear" of beholder. You have yours, I have mine, isn't it? Mature for our age, we truly understand that best sound = best woman, no definite answers.

To really understand best music/sound, no doubt, we need many different experience and opinions. No ones could tell you, but only yourself. But before that we must be knowledgeable enough, how? Home/Show visits la :-) Books and articles are just beginning point.

Why not look at this view, home visits are not serve to understang better music/sound only, but also knowing more friends in same hobby too, build our social network bigger.

Last point, open your mind and fair to us, we are not "showing off". But want to become "self confess gurus have a leaning to certain signature sound that they like" :-)

Regards,
Sam

Only those who wants to show off will want to invite. True music lovers who owns high end systems will keep it to themselves, not that they are selfish but they see no need to tell others as it is a personal self gratification item.

Those who tell the world whenever an upgrade or component change is never a music lover but component lover and show offs.

I have known so many super high end owners who will never open their doors to others. They get satisfaction listening to their systems and not wait for someone to tell them that it is good.

They know it is good.

So, Wabun...do you always invite?

Sorry VS126, I also disagree with you. Invite doesnt mean to show off. For me, sharing with more ppl can gain ideas and exchange viewpoint, nothing is definite in hifi, but visit more frens, get know more frens, enjoy the listening together is a fun process, don't you feel the same ?

i don't have high-end friends to show off ha...
ok lah... these threads/posts dingdongs may end up with essentially more misunderstanding than disagreement, tea on vince huh

I think hifi is sharing. My system is only entry level. I am very happy
many member of hifi4sale open their house to share their hiend system &
tweaking experience to me. Every time after audition also let me learn a
lot new knowledge, so I know how to improve my system. This also make
my hifi journey more fun & not alone only.

mayb those highend user prohibited / selective kaki to visit them due to security reason, ah pig ah dog also invite meh, later kena rompak how ah ? but mine is cheapo DIY setup..so almost welcome anyone come to duo duo zhi gao. hihi

i work on "welcome basis" rather than invite anyone to audition my ELCHEAPERO

come on my friend, you want to invite ones using mega bucks power cords when yours could be loaned from the kettles? are you slapping your invitees???

what is there to zhi jiao when the price of his cables "sweep away" your entire setup? or you expect him to admit that he is a fool since yours sounds much better???


in short, don't invite lah... just welcome, as they are coming with their own wills

Koo, have you watch the movie Initial D ( 頭文字D) ah ? Takumi Fujiwara driving his AE 86 cheapo beats so many Skyline, Lancer Evo.
So who said ur "ELCHEAPERO" can't beat those mega bucks setup ah ? Skill does matter my fren.. haha.. aiya, listen together is not compare who gud who bad lah, it is a experience changing, mega buck setup got hardware advantages, so by exchanging ideas, one can put their gadget to the maximum performance loh. one is a nut to say a old chaprang amplifier can beat a Mark Levinson. but if one cant afford mega buck stuff, then he/she shud play with skill oredi. just my 2 cents

wabun wrote:Koo, have you watch the movie Initial D ( 頭文字D) ah ? Takumi Fujiwara driving his AE 86 cheapo beats so many Skyline, Lancer Evo.
So who said ur "ELCHEAPERO" can't beat those mega bucks setup ah ? Skill does matter my fren.. haha..

i have my ideas in mind, no need to claim superiority (in fact no commonly perceived right to do so) be it valid or otherwise

my music is playing nightly, is it not more important than anything else?
my setup has to sound good for me to enjoy music, though i don't need it to sound better than others as good is "absolute" while better is "comparative" heh heh...

life is short, don't ever have an underlying expectation that we're going to live forever, enjoy your music more, don't invite lah!!!

invite got problem, don't invite also got problem..... all the "what if's" will be playing in the mind.....upgrade if needed..... enjoy and trust your setup & ur ears...

An individual who invites or welcomes other HiFi kaki's into their humble abode must be able to take constructive cristicsm and the criticisor should be constructive as well.

If these does not match then ...i am sorry......

cheers

tlkoo, you say it well.

tea on me.

To those who enjoy their music, hardware is not their top priority. If they have deep pockets, they will buy the best they can afford.. Still it is not their top priority. Once set up, they will concentrate on the music instead of thinking of upgrading or inviting all their friends or strangers to come and give their views.

For those who idolise equipment, they wld normally put their hifi components as top priority and tweak day and night and always listen to the same few cd's that they have in their posession.

Of course, there are some in between.

For the second group, some will progress to the first group as time goes by. for those who doesn't, they are the audio shop's best friend.

I have a friend who never keep his high end equipment more than a few months.

Please read the first poster, he only gain satisfaction when his friends like his system... Are you buying for yr friend or yrself???

VS126 wrote:tlkoo, you say it well.



I have a friend who never keep his high end equipment more than a few months.

you see... who is showing off???

No so much of showing off but whenever someone comments his system is lacking, he cannot tahan. He don't invite but wld not hestitate to welcome.

Too critical of his system, wonder if he enjoys any music played thru it. But his pockets is right down to the floor, he can afford it.

His usual shop at One Stop in Penang simply loves him.

To make a clear point for all of my responses in this treat.

In this borderless net world, we are free to express our ideas, opinions, experiences, knowledge, points of view and etc. However, please don't simply tag other people who they are and use nasty words. This is totally not a good manner in public forum, especially.

I remember that VS126 has advised to Chewkw "please stop calling people BLUR", I think this is a wise advise from a senior of us. Chewkw, a gentleman too, as he's accepted his advise.

I'd suggest we could change the ways in sharing our points of view.

"Personally, I like/dislike to invite/been invite for Hifi audition is because of ...".

VS126, I wish that one day we would meet up for a teh tarik session for sharing our hifi hobby, not necessary for an audition. I am glad, so far our argument in this treat is still considered in peace. WongKN and admin have yet to jump out, haha!


Cheers,
Sam

Sam and Tlkoo,

Teh Tarik is OK.

Maybe we can discuss Women. I guess Wong and Admin wld jump out by then. I am sure they are experts in this field.

Hifi is a disease, trust me. But I am cured.

VS126 wrote:

Hifi is a disease, trust me. But I am cured.

Sure or not??

Yeah loh..

I don't sleep, think, dream or eat HIFI now.

I can listen to Shelby or Diana thru any component.

VS126 wrote:Yeah loh..

I don't sleep, think, dream or eat HIFI now.

I can listen to Shelby or Diana thru any component.

Share lah your antidote sikit, Tongkat Ali, Ginseng, or some grass you found at your back garden that cures the hifi poison. I am sure many of us will be keen to know.

Some say the antidote is a power regenerator. Will never leave you wanting again. Provided of course your system is already at a good enough level but lacking that illusive final something. That final something would be the power regenerator. Be warned! These are not cheap!!

bimmerman wrote:Some say the antidote is a power regenerator. Will never leave you wanting again. Provided of course your system is already at a good enough level but lacking that illusive final something. That final something would be the power regenerator. Be warned! These are not cheap!!

Unless you are in the elite group who can achieve audio nirvana by listening through any component (I wouldn't call such people audiophiles and they may as well not bother to come into this forum unless it's for the sole purpose of shit stirring), I also don't think the power regenerator is the antidote.

Even if the rest of the system is the ultimate (although there is no such thing), all you'll end up doing is trying to upgrade the power regenerator... from PS Audio Premier to Torus Power to Isotek Titan to Pure Power etc etc.

Frankly I think there's absolutely nothing wrong with audiophiles continuing on a never ending quest to improve their system's ability to reproduce music. It does not mean they don't know how to appreciate music and all they're doing is playing hifi rather than playing music. In fact, I think the converse is true - they have such a deep appreciation of music that they want to reproduce music as naturally and faithfully as possible.

It's worth it I tell u.

bimmerman wrote:Some say the antidote is a power regenerator. Will never leave you wanting again. Provided of course your system is already at a good enough level but lacking that illusive final something. That final something would be the power regenerator. Be warned! These are not cheap!!

sounds to me hifi is like 'Jiang Hu'. they are many clan to it such as 'twister from west', Wing Chun, etc with each trying to claim to be the king of all HIFI. and so each new weapons are introduced faster than they are shown in the hifi4sale. For some, they have attained the 'nirwana' and retired from the scene, some occassional pen the hifi4sale thread.

these 'saints' are typically in their seniors and their strength are their setup+the secret weapons [CD/Vinyl]. Only with listening to more system will let u visualise the true meaning of soundstage, imaging, dynamics, microdetails, vivacity and neutrality.

dunno what all the fuss is this about:
some people show off system lah, want to invite or not to invite, welcome or not welcome lah...to some people its sharing lah, to others its "showing off", etc...

All this is not really related to hifi appreciation or music appreciation anymore.

It can very much apply to a same bunch of forummers from "swisswatches4sale.net" or "vintagealfas4sale.net" or "whateveryourhobby4sale.net" kakis.

Its all really much ado about nothing; what this whole thread is all about.

Somebody says something, another jumps at the opportunity for a quarrel and yup, it all ends up pretty much nothing. Long day, too tired to argue with the hifisane and hificrazy.

Chua is right, it's becoming a bit like kung fu fighting club. Northen vs southern and then comes western to beat the crap out of them all. La di da.

Say Joeling, good on you. I'm lovin it too!

hifikrazy wrote:

bimmerman wrote:Some say the antidote is a power regenerator. Will never leave you wanting again. Provided of course your system is already at a good enough level but lacking that illusive final something. That final something would be the power regenerator. Be warned! These are not cheap!!

Unless you are in the elite group who can achieve audio nirvana by listening through any component (I wouldn't call such people audiophiles and they may as well not bother to come into this forum unless it's for the sole purpose of shit stirring), I also don't think the power regenerator is the antidote.

Even if the rest of the system is the ultimate (although there is no such thing), all you'll end up doing is trying to upgrade the power regenerator... from PS Audio Premier to Torus Power to Isotek Titan to Pure Power etc etc.

Frankly I think there's absolutely nothing wrong with audiophiles continuing on a never ending quest to improve their system's ability to reproduce music. It does not mean they don't know how to appreciate music and all they're doing is playing hifi rather than playing music. In fact, I think the converse is true - they have such a deep appreciation of music that they want to reproduce music as naturally and faithfully as possible.

Dude, you lost me at hello

Ah, mugen, shakespeare ...

But O, how bitter a thing it is to look into happiness through another man's eyes.

bimmerman ... so, it's the weekend already, time to regenerate yourself ....

Yes senor bassreptore, been regenerating quite alot these few days. Mostly good but a little strident in some areas. Hmmm... Transparent interconnects a callin. it's a gonna be a hellova ride!

Here's some shakespeare whilst we're at it.

"Judge not a man by the size of his regenerator, nor the lushness of his beard. But by the breadcrumbs therein"

Whoo...whoo....getting serious here. I do not mean to offend anyone and I know some might be more sensitive than others. Some will disagree without much thought.

All I am trying to say is believe in yourself and enjoy what is within yr means. Do not lose sleep over upgrading.

Audiophiles (if that is what you prefer to be called) often have systems that do not correlates with the actual sound. For example...'audiophiles' often love audiophile recording from Tsai Ching. Her voice is sultry, warmth and deep in many audiophile's system but in actual fact, as she said it herself, doesn't sound like her voice.

Same goes for other recordings too.

So, what went wrong??? Is yr GURU too ambitious??? Who are you to follow....what is good sound??? Invite more people to tell on yr system???

So If you are not so critical, maybe you will enjoy yr music more.

Think I have said enough. I apologise if I offend any true blue audiophiles. This will be my last post. Goodbye audiophiles....keep the cash register ringing.

VS126 wrote:
Audiophiles (if that is what you prefer to be called) often have systems that do not correlates with the actual sound. For example...'audiophiles' often love audiophile recording from Tsai Ching. Her voice is sultry, warmth and deep in many audiophile's system but in actual fact, as she said it herself, doesn't sound like her voice.

I actually also came across this article on the Net before ... Tsai Ching always disagrees with the recording engrs who "change" her voice to something husky and low, when in real life, her voice is more "normal".

Can't seem to find that link back lately ... mebbe vince can post it once last time before cabutting this thread...

Sarah Brightman have 2 voices. Susan Boyle when she speaks doesn't give any impression she possess a polished voice or talent.