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What interconnect you are using ?
Hi Forumers,
Mind to share what interconnect you are using on your system ?
Mind to share what interconnect you are using on your system ?
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Re: What interconnect you are using ?
opera,my self MONSTER 1000 series 2.5 meter pairs,AUDIO QUEST TURQOISE 1 meter pair and QED QUNEX 1 meter pair..
SHARING IS CARING!!!
SHARING IS CARING!!!

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Re: What interconnect you are using ?
Chord Chorus 2 & Van den Hul The first Ultimate
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1. for cdp- Siltech SQ28 MK2
2. for tuner- Audioquest Phyntom
2. for tuner- Audioquest Phyntom

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Re: What interconnect you are using ?
XLO Type 1 Reference Seires & SINE Othello.

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Re: What interconnect you are using ?
The basic white/red plug interconnect that came in the box with the Marantz SA7001KI I'm using to a Marantz PM7200 amp. Speakers are Bose 301s on generic stands, using stock Bose speaker wire (extra cost, doesn't come with speakers). Am quite satisfied. 
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Re: What interconnect you are using ?
Does it help when the equipments where the interconnects are used on are not mention?

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Re: What interconnect you are using ?
Anybody using Mogami ?
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Re: What interconnect you are using ?
i use XLO Ultra series for my CDP
for rest of the equipment like DVD, HDD Media player and so on, i'm using Supra Dual with canare jacks....sendiri terminate
for rest of the equipment like DVD, HDD Media player and so on, i'm using Supra Dual with canare jacks....sendiri terminate
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Re: What interconnect you are using ?
Mine is Van Den Hul The First. The old one.
It was the first interconnect that deliberately change the sound of my system.
It was the first interconnect that deliberately change the sound of my system.
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Opera wrote:Anybody using Mogami ?
Hmm used mogami 2549 before
according to my opinion
it is musical but seems blur detail and moderate sound stage compare to my current QED Qunex 4S has much clear detail and much wider sound stage
but its performance is very value for the price which only about 1/5 of my current interconnect
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Re: What interconnect you are using ?
Yes, Qunex 4S revealed better separation & focus.
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Re: What interconnect you are using ?
I think the to range for Mogami is 2803. In fact, read a lot of comments on Mogami and most of them are pretty good... good value for money. I'm currently looking a IC to replace my existing Cable Talk Monitor 2. Any suggestion ? Should I try mogami ?
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Opera wrote:I think the to range for Mogami is 2803. In fact, read a lot of comments on Mogami and most of them are pretty good... good value for money. I'm currently looking a IC to replace my existing Cable Talk Monitor 2. Any suggestion ? Should I try mogami ?
Hmm i see some feedback by google-ing the mogami 2803
some say batter than QED silver spiral
My opinion,
the previous mogami 2549 i used i found that it is neutral which almost any system it can perform good (i think valve amp with energetic I/C will perform batter) and sounds musical with warm mids and no harshness
but the bad impression 2549 for me is a bit layback and many detail listenable but seems shy hidden inside sepaker not comming out (ah sorry for my childish explanation)
If 2803 with same sound signature with overall improvement
i think 2803 will be a very good cable

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Re: What interconnect you are using ?
ixos 1002 gamma, budget ic

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Re: What interconnect you are using ?
this was my setup
cds to dac : kimber kabel coax
dac to amp : ixos
currently
cds to dac : optical lead
dac to amp : ixos
the second setup sounds twice better!!
cds to dac : kimber kabel coax
dac to amp : ixos
currently
cds to dac : optical lead
dac to amp : ixos
the second setup sounds twice better!!

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Re: What interconnect you are using ?
Interconnect: Cardas Crosslink
Speaker Cable: Naim NACA 3
Speaker Cable: Naim NACA 3

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Re: What interconnect you are using ?
azri wrote:this was my setup
cds to dac : kimber kabel coax
dac to amp : ixos
currently
cds to dac : optical lead
dac to amp : ixos
the second setup sounds twice better!!
Hi azri,
Are you saying that optical is far better than coax? Well, at least in your system? Mind to share what is the price difference between both of them? And make of the optical of coz.
Cheers
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car o scope wrote:Interconnect: Cardas Crosslink
Speaker Cable: Naim NACA 3
Hi there are you using naim setup?
mind to share cardas crasslink over naim original interconnect?
thx~~~

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Re: What interconnect you are using ?
Oh.. I am not using Naim setup..
Too expensive for me..
I bought the speaker cables together with Epos ES11.
Too expensive for me..
I bought the speaker cables together with Epos ES11.

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car o scope wrote:Oh.. I am not using Naim setup..
Too expensive for me..![]()
I bought the speaker cables together with Epos ES11.
Oh~~i see~~ but still intresting to see cardas cable here mind to share some comment about ur cable here?

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Re: What interconnect you are using ?
hi sifus....
i hv tried couple of ways to enhance my low bass
currently i'm using below stuffs
amp: Audio Analog Verdi
cdp: Marantz CD-7300 modded power cable
speakers: Sonus Faber Concertino Domus with original stands
interconnects: XLO Ultra 1meter
spkr cables: XLO Ultra 3 meter pair
power cable for amp: Cardas Quadlink (i think)
at the moment...the lower bass extension is kinda short compared to my audition at the hifi shop...same setup
i know acoustics play an important part but at the moment for me acoustics is kinda limited due to the fact that my set has been migrated to the hall
so, in ur opinion, if i change d spkr cable or interconnects a wise choice?
i hv tried couple of ways to enhance my low bass
currently i'm using below stuffs
amp: Audio Analog Verdi
cdp: Marantz CD-7300 modded power cable
speakers: Sonus Faber Concertino Domus with original stands
interconnects: XLO Ultra 1meter
spkr cables: XLO Ultra 3 meter pair
power cable for amp: Cardas Quadlink (i think)
at the moment...the lower bass extension is kinda short compared to my audition at the hifi shop...same setup
i know acoustics play an important part but at the moment for me acoustics is kinda limited due to the fact that my set has been migrated to the hall
so, in ur opinion, if i change d spkr cable or interconnects a wise choice?
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skydna wrote:car o scope wrote:Oh.. I am not using Naim setup..
Too expensive for me..![]()
I bought the speaker cables together with Epos ES11.
Oh~~i see~~ but still intresting to see cardas cable here mind to share some comment about ur cable here?
I might not know how to describe the sound..
1st of all, the Cardas is the basic model.
I found that the vocal and bass are good but these cables are not 'silent' enough.
It is like there are some noise if we compare to more expensive cables.
hushymushy wrote:hi sifus....
i hv tried couple of ways to enhance my low bass
currently i'm using below stuffs
amp: Audio Analog Verdi
cdp: Marantz CD-7300 modded power cable
speakers: Sonus Faber Concertino Domus with original stands
interconnects: XLO Ultra 1meter
spkr cables: XLO Ultra 3 meter pair
power cable for amp: Cardas Quadlink (i think)
at the moment...the lower bass extension is kinda short compared to my audition at the hifi shop...same setup
i know acoustics play an important part but at the moment for me acoustics is kinda limited due to the fact that my set has been migrated to the hall
so, in ur opinion, if i change d spkr cable or interconnects a wise choice?
Bro hushymushy,
I would not suggest you to buy/change cables in a haste.
Furniture might play a role in the short bass extension that you described.
Bookshelf, Racks, Couch, for example, will contribute to the short bass extension.
Try to stand at different spots between your gears and the seat.
You may observe some different bass extensions.
Well, I am no expert but this method is FOC and no harm trying..
Cheers.

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Just my two sen!
Vectra
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Re: What interconnect you are using ?
well Zul, i oredi hv the ori stands for the sonus
yup did try reposition the speakers, back n forth including toe in and out
i guess its the hall size that is dictating.....no choice ler...hv to find a better way
yup did try reposition the speakers, back n forth including toe in and out
i guess its the hall size that is dictating.....no choice ler...hv to find a better way
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Re: What interconnect you are using ?
Yes, I'm using Kimber 8TC spk cable and It did improve the bass.
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hushymushy wrote:well Zul, i oredi hv the ori stands for the sonus
yup did try reposition the speakers, back n forth including toe in and out
i guess its the hall size that is dictating.....no choice ler...hv to find a better way
Try Chord Chorus 2 or Anthem 2.

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alex wrote:
Hi azri,
Are you saying that optical is far better than coax? Well, at least in your system? Mind to share what is the price difference between both of them? And make of the optical of coz.
Cheers
hi, its a never ending discussion rite?
am not sure how much for kimber kable coax
the optical just around $30 bucks, local brand
optical gives me more clarity, coax to warm
cheers.
*p/s im in australia for now, any of u know a good
hi fidelity stuff from this land down under?
not burson pls, too expensive hehe

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anyone know the diff between kimber silver streak & PBJ ?? tq

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azri wrote:anyone know the diff between kimber silver streak & PBJ ?? tq
I'm testing Kimber Timbre interconnect as of now. 1st impression is what a transparent cable and by saying that the difference is pretty obvious compare to QED Silver Spiral I'm currently using. Everything sounded so clear. For example while you put more attention listening to piano, the background string sounded as if you are paying attention to it too. Clean and clear
The drawback is bass is pretty lacking but maybe I'm used to excellent bass from Silver Spiral. Gonna give it a few more days before deciding to fork out RM560 for this ic.

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Re: What interconnect you are using ?
"Poor man interconnect" article form this Audioing blog is very interesting. But I never try this interconnect before, i am using the Quad interconnect from tropical audio.
http://audioing.blogspot.com/search/label/Cable
http://audioing.blogspot.com/search/label/Cable
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azri wrote:anyone know the diff between kimber silver streak & PBJ ?? tq
here's some useless facts for you. the kimber pbj stands for peanutbutter and jelly. a favourite american snack. kaya toast to us malaysians. the silver streak has 3 conductor strands. the silver streak refers to the silver strand among the other 2 copper strands.

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lol...pbj...good one 


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you du realise pbj also have 3 strands rite? im confused because pbj IC & coax looks the same, or are they actually the same thing?

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using audioquest king cobra from NAD C325BEE to NAD C545BEE . It is good until I experience more bass from friend system... &&^#$* , fine tuning....
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I had two sets of listeners over the past few days to listen to my system. For one batch, I used MIT interconnects and Furutech power cords, totalling about Rm6-7k in all. For the other batch, I used Gotham Cables and cheap power cords, about 25% the cost of the other batch. I didn't tell them what I was using until later.
You know what, both batches of listeners appeared to tremendously enjoy what they heard from my system. the cables, connects and cords didn't seem to matter!
You know what, both batches of listeners appeared to tremendously enjoy what they heard from my system. the cables, connects and cords didn't seem to matter!
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bassraptor wrote:I had two sets of listeners over the past few days to listen to my system. For one batch, I used MIT interconnects and Furutech power cords, totalling about Rm6-7k in all. For the other batch, I used Gotham Cables and cheap power cords, about 25% the cost of the other batch. I didn't tell them what I was using until later.
You know what, both batches of listeners appeared to tremendously enjoy what they heard from my system. the cables, connects and cords didn't seem to matter!
Agreed. It is not necessary expensive cables = better sound. It is more challenging and exciting to use less expensive cables in order to get high end sound, and it is not impossible to achieve.
Bassraptor, if you tell those listeners what cables you use before the auditions, I'm sure they will all give better comment to the system which uses more expensive cables, that's nature of many audiophiles....
A quite famous local hifi blogger auditioned my system recently, before I told him the RCA and speakers cables used in my system, he very much enjoyed the sound. After knowing the few hundred rinngit only cables being used, he started to "advise" me to use rm3k or more same brand cables for "better resolution".....I just pretended he was correct. However, he never knew that I had auditioned those cables he mentioned and only the cables I'm using now are best matched with my system with good resolution.
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bassraptor wrote:I had two sets of listeners over the past few days to listen to my system. For one batch, I used MIT interconnects and Furutech power cords, totalling about Rm6-7k in all. For the other batch, I used Gotham Cables and cheap power cords, about 25% the cost of the other batch. I didn't tell them what I was using until later.
You know what, both batches of listeners appeared to tremendously enjoy what they heard from my system. the cables, connects and cords didn't seem to matter!
So, do you prefer the RM6-7k cables or the Gotham and cheap power cord on your system?

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some folks believe the more you spend on wires, the better. if that keeps them happy, well and good for them, it's their money. Me, I'm having fun mixing and matching cheap wires to see how close I can get to the performance of the more costly reference wires I own (which nothing compared with what some audiophiles own).
been trying out the Black Widow Jazz power cord from Acoustique Systems ... nice bit of work, for a few hundred RM only ...
Some of my power cord findings (with American-type plug) ... standard 12AWG China-made pc can be surprisingly effective! There, I said it ... a bunch of McIntosh owners once flamed me for daring to suggest this ...
Do I prefer the cheap Gotham or Rm6-7k? I hear the differences and think the MITs and Furutechs enhance the system in specific areas. But the Gothams are as musical for less money - see above for why I use them.
Now, whether I will hear the differences blindfolded, I can't say now but hope to try this sometime ...
been trying out the Black Widow Jazz power cord from Acoustique Systems ... nice bit of work, for a few hundred RM only ...
Some of my power cord findings (with American-type plug) ... standard 12AWG China-made pc can be surprisingly effective! There, I said it ... a bunch of McIntosh owners once flamed me for daring to suggest this ...
Do I prefer the cheap Gotham or Rm6-7k? I hear the differences and think the MITs and Furutechs enhance the system in specific areas. But the Gothams are as musical for less money - see above for why I use them.
Now, whether I will hear the differences blindfolded, I can't say now but hope to try this sometime ...
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Re: What interconnect you are using ?
has anyone used single crystal PCOCC (such as AC Zens reference) for the RCA ? is it really making the electrons flow smoothly and thus clear sound (or smooth sounds)?
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wow, wish I could see that. electrons flowing smoothly, I mean ...
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is it current first or voltage first ah. no voltage how to current flow. No current how to create voltage. some like the current flow in smooth wire, some like the current flow in Carbon wire.
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I am only familiar with laminar flow and turbulent flow. Now frequently deal with open channel flow.

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Re: What interconnect you are using ?
For me different cables give different sound. Not better but just different. For example my VDH sounded good with my SS setup but once I hook it up to tube stuff...yuck.
Kimber cable interconnect that I tried sounded good with both setup. Now very curious to try their speaker cables. Koyak la poket
Kimber cable interconnect that I tried sounded good with both setup. Now very curious to try their speaker cables. Koyak la poket

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Re: What interconnect you are using ?
I suggest you all to try Monster Cable Interconnect interlink 300, 400..link between CD player and amp. Improve bass and balance.

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Re: What interconnect you are using ?
Well I guess when you have areas in your audio that you're not happy with, like too much hash, thin sound, bloated bass etc..., interconnects with different characteristics can help with the overall tuning to bring you a step or two closer to your goal. Interconects can be regarded as tone controls for audiophiles I suppose. As for affordably prices interconnects, super expensive interconnects to DIY electrical cord, telephone wire interconnects, CAT5 network cable interconnects, It also boils down to matching and a whole lotta other factors as well. Mostly, what sounds best to your own ears.
Azri, the PBJ has 3 strands of copper. The Silver streak has 2 strands of copper and a "streak" third strand of silver. Kipish?
Azri, the PBJ has 3 strands of copper. The Silver streak has 2 strands of copper and a "streak" third strand of silver. Kipish?

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And Azri, no joke about that peanutbutterand jelly part too. it's true.

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Re: What interconnect you are using ?
bimmerman: that's blasphemy to some!
.... wires are not supposed to act as tone controls, they say! instead, they should not make their presence felt.
ps: so how are you enjoying purer power at home these days?
kancan: did the monster cable route 20 years ago. moved on also ... as most have. may as well use unfancied gotham cables. cheaper.
ps: so how are you enjoying purer power at home these days?
kancan: did the monster cable route 20 years ago. moved on also ... as most have. may as well use unfancied gotham cables. cheaper.
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