placements of isolation cones

how to figure out the positions to place the cones underneath cdp/t, preamp, power amp, speakers, dac etc? the number of configurations of any 3 cones underneath each equipment could be just an infinte, but how to figure out the configuration which yields practicably the best sound? how to shoot blindly to figure out? please share some secret lah...

This provides some good guidance:

http://www.nordost.com/downloads/Sort%20Kone%20Instructions.pdf

u can use three or four cones - it's up to u. four is more stable cos if u use three, there's always a chance you may somehow press the side with only one cone supporting the component downwards and topple everything.

it has happened to me. i used three cones (actually cap nuts) and when i unplugged the interconnects, i forgot and placed my hand on the side where there was no support and things got messy.

u can experiment as to where to place the cones - underneath the motor of the cd player, underneath the transformers of the amp, etc.

this point is vital - cones must be used with the sharp end facing downwards.

If you are placing the cones under a CDP, the convention is to place one cone under the motor (assuming your CDP has a mid-mounted motor) with the other two cones at the rear corners.

If you are placing cones under electronics, place one cone under the transformer, the other cone on the other side, and the remaining cone in the middle near the front or back.

Three cones is better than four. And it is cheaper.

It really depends on the type of cones andequipments....generally I would start with one under the transformer,and balanced out the rest...do not forget that the rooters only control the resonance at the lower part of the chasis.for best result ,you should also control the vib at the top of the chasis ...try entreq vib eater and you will surely know what I mean

Any preference on type of cones for these isolation cones?

I mean I have a set of three Diamond Racing Cone (not sure 'Mark ?) with smooth 'tips' (what material are they as they stick like real suckers to the Promintheus DAC I use especially the one cone placed directly under the transformers.. this is not good isn't it) and another set of sharp pointed steel/metal tip with wooden body cones (can recall the brand) under the DAC's power supply (Nicholas recommended his ebony 'cones' but haven't tried them yet), . I also have Vibracones (from Vibrapods) with metal 'spherical' tip but seems to be difficult to get them to stick to the equipment (under my Benchmark) and to be honest, have yet to 'listen' or hear their apparent benefits..

Appreciate gurus out there to dispense with advice on whether these are the right app for these cones...

Mark 3 or 4 have markings on their flat surfaces.
Funny your black diamond stuck like real suckers, it shouldn't have, are you sure they are BDR? They are supposed to be hard molded plastics/resins. Shouldn't stick to anything.

VS126 wrote:Mark 3 or 4 have markings on their flat surfaces.
Funny your black diamond stuck like real suckers, it shouldn't have, are you sure they are BDR? They are supposed to be hard molded plastics/resins. Shouldn't stick to anything.

That's the problem... shouldn't be doing that, resin alright but there a 'screw' thread going into the cone.. anyway, hope the Black Cat doin the job..

Black Cat running all over my house. Doing great. I need the BNC connectors Thks ZB

Hi Guys,
I have the Diamond Racing Mk4 too. Yes, it shouldnt stick to any of the surface of your equipment, as it is somekind of high end Fiber Compound, no residue.

Except your equipment come with some sticker rubbery surface. Though it come with screw holes, it doesnt mean you need to screw it to your equipment to get result.

I got best result under my DAC, where the tip is pointing upwards. And you shouldnt be using any double side tape or adhesive to hold them together with the equipment. It will nullify the purpose of it vibration transfer.

The black diamond range is only so so as an isolation and resonance controlling device but the following is what makes the cat meow.
1. Finite elemente
2. Marigo audio mystere feed
3. Copulare
4. End track EQ
You can't go wrong with any of the above! In short when it comes to resonance control you certainly get what you pay for.

The black diamond range is only so so as an isolation and resonance controlling device but the following is what makes the cat meow.
1. Finite elemente
2. Marigo audio mystere feed
3. Copulare
4. Entreq
You can't go wrong with any of the above! In short when it comes to resonance control you certainly get what you pay for.

hi tin, your setup is located in kl or penang?
any chance to share your knowledge/skills which could be proprietary otherwise?


thanks/regards
tlkoo

sflam wrote:u can use three or four cones - it's up to u. four is more stable cos if u use three, there's always a chance you may somehow press the side with only one cone supporting the component downwards and topple everything.

it has happened to me. i used three cones (actually cap nuts) and when i unplugged the interconnects, i forgot and placed my hand on the side where there was no support and things got messy.

u can experiment as to where to place the cones - underneath the motor of the cd player, underneath the transformers of the amp, etc.

this point is vital - cones must be used with the sharp end facing downwards.

not sure if 4 could be better than 3 but former demands all 4 tips to be simultaneously touching the surface on which they are to rest (so that the equipment doesn't wobble)

more often than not, when 2 tips (in diagonal positions) are touching the surface simultaneously, the other 2 tips could be touching the surface mutually exclusively, in other words, the equipment supported by these 4 cones is just wobbling diagonally therefore 4 set demands much more patience to ensure all 4 tips are simultaneously touching the surface while 3 set doesn't!



thanks for input/regards

WongKK wrote:If you are placing the cones under a CDP, the convention is to place one cone under the motor (assuming your CDP has a mid-mounted motor) with the other two cones at the rear corners.

If you are placing cones under electronics, place one cone under the transformer, the other cone on the other side, and the remaining cone in the middle near the front or back.

Three cones is better than four. And it is cheaper.

any need to ensure equal weight distribution onto each cone? what is the rationale? what about the rationale of placing the "1st" cone beneath the transformer (assuming only one transformer, there is)?

Apparently no need to ensure equal weight distribution, tlkoo. Transformers and motors tend to vibrate, which is why you place a cone directly underneath to sink the vibration immediately.