What CD You Use For Testing Hifi Set

Hi There,

Just want to find out what CD you use to test/audition Hifi set ( not those bing bang type of music ). Whereby you can pick-up every pieces of the instrument, vocal, the overall sound stage & the accuracy of music instrument been produce which are near to actual sound without over done.

Audiophile Voice CD

Hi drife,

Keb' Mo is one of the good cd & I like his self title ablum Keb' Mo. The other blues cd I like to use for testing is this guy by the name Dough MacLeod by album title You Can't Take My Blues & Come To Find.
The Sheffield Lab Track & Drum for me is the best if I want to test bass of the speaker. It produced the most natural sound when the drum been play.
The other CDs that I use :
- Erick Turnbull (which are hard to find)
- Some Chesky CDs like Sara K, The Ultimate Demonstration Disc, Hobo &
Chesky 10 Best.
- Jazz at Pawnshop
- Muddy Water
- Ray Brown Trio

im not a blues fella but keb'mo gets me tapping my feet. have u seen his solo on Jazz Legends DVD? wah... like audiophile gig. ray brown trio is sort of a good test for boom. if it sounds like the bass player is playing in a closet then there's something not right. ris low's system would sound like this : )

bro Artesuano, maybe we should check the other thread "showing off your system". there got more input from fella hf4saliants.

cheers, and let the grunt loose...

I like to use :

1) Natalie Merchant Live - her voice difficult to reproduce nicely

2) Cai Qin - the green cover one. One of the songs about the moon light has killer vocal & ambiance

3) The Hunter - what's the lady's name again - track 8 has nice 60hz bass to test the lower octaves

4) I like vocals so I have a few choice vocal test discs

Could the list of CDs for tuning a system and the list for testing a setup (other than the host's setup) be the same or entirely different? Anyone with some experiences to share share?

Allow me to throw another perspective to you guys here. Food for thought as they say.

What EXACTLY is the purpose and function of our hifi system ? Is it for a totally accurate reproduction of sound, the sound and nothing else ?

OR

Is it to let us enjoy our music, to be immersed into a sound so enjoyable that we melt into our listening chair, with the stress and frustration of the day totally wiped away ?

This is the core question to ask for threads such as this.

Remember that a test CD or a demo CD or a setup CD is often one of those bing-bang-booms, often with someone chanting unintelligiible babble in the background or a couple of people banging on the bongos like a chimpanzee

When we tune or setup our system with that CD, how often do we listen to it again in our normal listening/enjoyment routine ?

As the sentence in the movie goes
"THAT IS THE RIGHT QUESTION TO ASK".

Make a firm decision : is the system to show off, to generate business, or for personal enjoyment.

Let me put it another way. A lot depends on our personal music preference. Someone who is into mainly vocal with simple acoustic accompaniment is not going to be bothered with dynamic attack or low bass, or whatever. Someone who likes rock music MUST HAVE dynamic attack, power, etc. Someone who is into large classical symphonic pieces probably requires the best of everything, including vocal details if he/she is into opera as well, or at the minimum includes Beethoven Symphony No9 and Carl Orff's Carmina Burana in his/her favourite pieces.

The idealistic arguement is to say that when a system is tuned for absolute perfection in SOUND REPRODUCTION, then everything else will fall in place. This is still the ULTIMATE and FINAL objective of any hifi system. However, for those of us who are mere mortals, earning a modest salary from an often stingy employer, we HAVE to make do with lesser than too-end equipment. THAT's when we have to conciously tune the system to play 'OUR TYPE' of music the best, and accept weakness when playing other type of music.

When adopting this approach, one MUST have a very strong mind - to accept comments from others who come to listen, maybe play some music we do not listen to and then make unflattering comments. On the other hand, the music lover who is socialist first over music loving which comes in 2nd, will want to ensure his numerous listening sessions with countless invited guests must IMPRESS his guest. It is a fair approach as well - the enjoyment of the guest takes precedence over that of his or her own personal enjoyment. Perhaps to such a person, enjoying alone is 'takda syiok', enjoying in a group is the ultimate way to enjoy one's hifi.

Think hard about this scenario. I find it very useful to setting personal expectations right.

Very true, Mr Moderator, most of the people fail to realise that they have been listening to the system rather than listening to the music. They fall into the devilish trap of always trying to find fault with either the system or the recording, and that's where the never ending pursuit of hifi journey starts (together with diminishing $$$!). The day one starts to enjoy the music will be the day one gets less stressed up.

Artesuano, I always take a rock or heavy metal (thrash metal will be a bit extreme here) cd as a test disc. If the system can handle it with gutso and pick out all the various instruments plus vocals, that will go onto my "watch out for" shopping list, heh heh!

Test CDs esp those music samplers are good to test out a system's ability to replay music for one's personal enjoyment.

Then there are some CDs (and LPs) that do nothing but playback test tones, weird alien signals etc etc and there are to test the system's ability to reproduce sound faithfully (or at least in a clinically accurate manner). These are super useful esp in also identifyting room acoustic problems.

Personally I tend to stick to real life commercial releases, whether CD or LP. I do use samplers and sometimes samplers are even pressed or mastered in a higher standard. Occasionally, a 'test CD' is made which comprises REAL music, e.g. the 'Golden Ear' CD I bought from my dealer which has Eagles Hotel Califronia (their live reunion concert version), Shania Twain's You've got a way, and so forth. If one desires to use a 'test CD', which is a fair decision because their often high quality recording is very useful to fine tune a system, then personally I would recommend those type of CD. I much prefer to listen to real music, even when I am tuning my system.

Others may and will probably differ. Everyone is right in his or her own way. But never hurts to consider an alternate point of view.

and the other important thing is to use music pieces to test for a system's musicality and human enjoyability.

Test tones and other funny sonic patterns are best left for lab measurements , provided one has such hardware like an audioband scope & spectrum analyser.

So sometimes its convenient for Test CDs to contain a combo of both real-world music and some test tones for ref checks and what-nots.

Let's not also totally disregard the -scientific method- here. By that I mean the tested and proven methods of seeking flat frequency response, as well as the solid scientific methods of setting a TT for e.g., using a specialized setup LP for channel balance, reduction of rumble, etc. Now, those methods as I indicated as solidly based on proven scientific principles and must never be disregarded or belittled. One of the pitfalls amongst audiophiles that I have often seen is that some, in their pursuit of musical excellence, belittle the importance of the scientific method. They say they can use their ears to tune better than any scientific equipment can.

But the truth is that if a system has very bad distortion, or frequency imbalance, then it can be argued that it is bad. The human ear, courtesy of the human brain is often very adaptive and forgiving and often we listen AROUND obvious imperfections. Then subconciously we feel something is wrong in the music but we don't know what or where. There is often a good correlation between a badly setup and system that measures badly, to lack of musical involvement. So it is important to get the basics right. Just like how a champion like Lee chong Wei or Nicol Davids strengths are in their fitness and solid basic skills. There is no magic shortcut for them. Nor for us.

My personal approach is to do the 'first cut', so to speak, based on proven principles, TT setup for e.g., VTA, tracking force, azimuth, even something as trivial as ensuring the TT is properly level and the speed is correct (it can be amazing how this simple requirement can often be ignored). These are all done using solid, proven procedures and test equipment, LP/CD, strobe discs, etc. Things like proper matching of equipment, ensuring enough power from the amps (or matching amp to speaker load), phono input impedance loading, etc. Those are based on solid proven physical and electrical principles.

After that is done PROPERLY, like most things in life, comes the finer details. This are often areas where the scientific principles do not establish an absolute guideline. E.g. very good catridge manufacturers will provide the recommended tracking force for their catridge but the best ones will give it in a RANGE of values. Life is never so simple as a single perfect value. So Clearaudio for e.g. specifies tracking force of 2.0 to 2.6grams for e.g. But we need an actual exact figure to set the tracking force at. THAT is when the human ear and preference comes into play. And that is when the MUSIC sources, CDs and LPs should be used. This in my opinion, is the final but most important, most critical leg of the setup journey.

And for that, proper music shoud be used. Not someone banging aimlessly on a drum.

actually alot of the fine tuning mysteries can also be unravelled via proper measurements.


Using Records and TT setup as an example:
It can be both heard and shown (measured) that at higher tracking forces, the sonic breakups occur at much higher levels than at lower grams. But the overall freq response would taper off and decline sooner at the high freqs.

Lower grams, the cartridge can "follow" the grooves to much higher frequencies, but will also me more prone to breakup sounds when riding on more transient tracks.

So its a compromise and these is what "tuning" really encompasses. Within the given mfg specs/settings of course.

U give some here, you gain some elsewhere. There is no pure right or wrong way for it.


But other things, there are simple rights and wrongs, for example like channel balance, anti-skate, zenith. Get any of these wrong, and it ruins the whole playback experience.
Same as in CDs and cablings and interconnects. Although a CD playback system is far less tunable than a record player.

The tuning portions can be both rewarding but also a big hassle. Depends on the individual. But then this gets philosophical again. Is the tuning done for better enjoyment of music, or for super system abilities ? Not pure right or wrong here. Depends on how one enjoys this hobby (or not, and decides to give up and play other things).

1st thing 1st. We seated at the sweet spot hears the sound reproduction from the seated position, and our ears DON"T hear the sound in a linear way, the pattern of our hearing follows the FM curve for loudness and NOT equated or NOT SIMILAR to that of a flat response curve of that of the equipment & room interaction! ONLY the recordings are encrypted into the medium in a flat response curve for CD(heh, heh.....guess what else isn't)


One can tune the system to conform with a flat room response, and the measurements will turn out to be flat. But if the tone from 20hz to 20khz (probably we can hear to 14khz or slightly more) are replayed at intervals of various octave, we will gather that it's not flat to our ears! Do try it out. If the system is tuned by ears, then it will more or less follow or closer to the FM curve of our hearing......which would move nearer to a flat curve according to our ears, but a measurement will show that it resemble that of the loudness curve...ie. not flat! I've done measurements, and I know for sure.


Tuning by ears is still the practical way, and the measurement of the room response is to see if there are abnormal indications in measurements that needed rectifications/corrections or retuning. That will be some unusual sharp peaks and troughs. Sometimes it's not the room acoustic problems. Most of the time is the equipments at fault or performance not consistent, or the piece of equipments can't reproduce or cause the insufficient sound reproductions to contribute to the FM curve to conform with our hearing and we hear as poor sound performances!

Somewhat Disagree.

The room and its associated equipment and gear and other contraptions of audio reproduction should be as flat as possible to the letter. Then only shalt thy human ear hear thine true representation of the music being playeth back. Amen.


So what if the human ear has an "FM curve" of hearing? Does this mean that u would do an "inverse FM curve" to compensate for the human ear instead ?


If u are tuning to SUIT the human ear, you might as well plonk in a
32band graphic equaliser, and then add another 24 band parametric
equaliser ... and fiddle fuddle foddle to your ears' and heart's content.
Sure you might love what you're hearing ... but then it ain't what
"high-fidelity" is all about anymore.

OK, so its too clinical to do everything by instrumentation (souless one might say?) . So some ear-tune is also required. Agree. but I won't go and put ear-tune to the task of getting an accurate tonal response. It would be perhaps to use ear-tune for more "humanly feeling" perceptions like depth, spaciousness, sound-staging which no equipment is ever going to properly decipher the audible signals the way a human brain does.

But as for tonal curves ... Purely and simply quantifiable, a freq response plot (at the listening sweet spot of course) thats flattest is best.

To get a proper setup of a hi-fi to reconstruct accurately (or at least in a convincingly life-like nature) the piece of recording .... both instrumentation and ear-tune is vital. But i'd put more emphasis on TONAL-ACCURACY via instrumentation, while placing more emphasis of SPATIAL-PERCEPTION via ear-tune.

But flat room response....cannot listen wan! Sound terrible!!! Met many audiophiles also perceived this! Maybe those who said so, got damaged hearing oledi!

Hi Mugen foo, then can I come listen to your 'true to the recording' setup? Mine is definitely not flat la, so not true to the recordings. Please please let me listen! Show and tell la........then I will be a believer!

dear uncle Vic , you already stated that flat-room resp sure "cannot hear one" .

So why bother listening to something over again when you have already formed your own prejudices and prejudgement already. It's not my intention to "convert" you or to make you a "believer" since it is very clear from the start that you love your colourful and interesting "inverse FM curve" room/equipment response characteristics already.


You've stated your point, and i have stated mine. This is good enuff for me.

Anything else, u can go ahead and do whatever makes u happy.

uncle_vic wrote:Hi Mugen foo, then can I come listen to your 'true to the recording' setup? Mine is definitely not flat la, so not true to the recordings. Please please let me listen! Show and tell la........then I will be a believer!

unc oi

hvnt u observed plain regurgitations??? not just in 1 topic but almost all!!!

mgf may hv a hypothetical/theoretical setup/setups it's just like him making virtual fun herein punching the keyboard...





cheers
tlkoo

Hi Mugen, why do audiophiles take so much pain to ensure the room response curve is flat as a ruler. Then sit down at the sweet spot, and have the brain reprogram the human hearing pattern from 1 of FM loudness curve to one of flat as a ruler hearing sensitivity, so as to conform with the room's flat as a ruler room response curve! Can the brain really really able to do that ah?! DON'T KID YOURSELF LA!

Uncle vic,

don't misquote me. I wouldn't say "audiophiles take so much pain to ensure this or that". I think it's you who's kidding yourself here. But it's ok... like i said before: Whatever makes u happy dude (even if it means whoever's kidding themselves or anyone else).

Besides, who's got the exalted right in claiming that "audiophiles should do this, or shouldn't do that". Maybe dear ol' Uncle Vic does.

So if u like to listen to your music with your flavour of heavy salt and pepper. Good for you. But don't try to even for one claim that this is accurate or the correct just becoz its tuned-by-ear (so sure damn accurate one) either ya. If you haven't , good for u again. But if u did, then we'll really know who's kidding who here.

My point (in case you've missed it all along) is that ROOM RESPONSE should be FLAT (aka NEUTRAL) in order to accurately let the hifi equipment do its job to FAITHFULLY REPRODUCE the Source Content, at least in the listening position (aka Sweet Spot).

There should be none or minimal (as practically possible), no Booms/Emphasis or Suck-Outs in the whole audible spectrum, within the sweet Spot.

... and for one damn good reason and one reason only. So that the Piano or Trumpet or Violin when played back via the hifi set in your comfy hifi room, would SOUND the Closest Darnest Possible way to the ORIGINAL piano or Trumpet or Violin as it would IN REAL LIFE.

Anyone want to dispute this (or just totally unable to comprehend this and rather wanna call this "regurgitation" instead) ?

Gosh, if i got to repeat this another round, to the same old guy, then i'll know that it's like I'm trying to explain colours to a colour-blind person...

tlkoo wrote:

uncle_vic wrote:Hi Mugen foo, then can I come listen to your 'true to the recording' setup? Mine is definitely not flat la, so not true to the recordings. Please please let me listen! Show and tell la........then I will be a believer!

unc oi

hvnt u observed plain regurgitations??? not just in 1 topic but almost all!!!

mgf may hv a hypothetical/theoretical setup/setups it's just like him making virtual fun herein punching the keyboard...





cheers
tlkoo

I'm glad u enjoy my keyboard punchings as much as i enjoy your brief responses thus far. Though i sincerely doubt if u may have even the slightest inkling or comprehension of matters discussed at hand. Of course, you're most welcome to prove otherwise.

But just in case if you do find it challenging to enter more than just a few sentences in most of your postings so far, may I recommend you this software called "Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing" so that you may also partake the fun in lengthier retorts to such regurgitations as well.

They might have a free downloadable trial version... do give it a try!

I have one or two discs to try out systems. That's all. The rest are normal songs that we sometimes even hear on the radio.

Recently, I bought few CDs via online and they are all non-audiophile discs. hahahaha...
Heck, I dont even know if the recordings are good but I dont care coz I want to listen to those songs.

And, they are all at discounted prices.

uncle_vic wrote:But flat room response....cannot listen wan! Sound terrible!!! Met many audiophiles also perceived this! Maybe those who said so, got damaged hearing oledi!

Uncle Vic.

Do you like to attend live concert? eg. live concert by Berliner Philharmoniker.
Did their musicians or the hall tune to suit your ears which follow FM curve?
Or you heard the live concert with a microphone + A-weighting filter (Mugenfoo called it "reverse FM curve") then only let the music to reach your ears?
If the overall frequency response not follow your ear FM curve, will you blame the musicians and hall "cannot listen wan"?
You will say all Berliner Philharmoniker musicians included their conductor "got damaged hearing oledi!"?
Is it their problem? Or your problem?

If flat response for room is not necessary, then why all CD players and amplifiers frequency response still designed based on flat response?
Will you propose to Nelson Pass, Charles Hansen and other great audio designers that the frequency response for CD players and amplifiers designed need to be a flat response after added in the A-weighting filter in their measurement equipment?
Or you have other wiser view point on frequency response?
Any strong technical background or theory to support your view point?

Sorry, I do not have a system for you to audition, neither with flat response nor follow FM curve.
Do not make the request if not able to answer all above questions.
It is OK, just leave it there.

It's ok with me, that u got to this stage of discussion.

Assuming it's not that difficult to get that flat RF curve in your room; the sound output from your equipments will seldom if not never approach a flat RF, and that's the sound some like over the sound of yet other equipments, some call it signature sound of the equipments.
Technically it's still called colourations if it isn't flat. So if your hearing is not flat and the sound reproduction is not flat, there will always be a tendency for u to like certain setups and dislike certain setups.

However, most of the time, following what the manufacturers recommend to own and listen seems and what reviewers suggest seems suitable for some. Well u could own whatever u think u like even with or without listening to them 1st, if one intends to buy off the shelves. But there are those who prefer to design, and build their own or modify existing gears, for reasons only known to themselves.

If u think u have set up your hifi system correctly which sounds very neutral and good sounding; then I'm pretty sure your setup will be generally known to alot of people, who may want to make a bee line to visit and listen to your setup. If u are to avoid visitors then it would look like u don't really own what u say u could do with it!

Just my 2sens, but I could be wrong, maybe u are in hifi nirvana already. Then show and tell if u could & want to share with others. If not people will think otherwise. You can't control what others think, right?

of coz, uncle Vic, ... i definitely don't WANT to control how you'd think .. otherwise we won't be having such an interesting "Exchange" of opinions already... right ? Sure u can at least agree to this, isn't it ?

So Mugen, how about a 'show and tell' session? It won't hurt does it?

Here's a better suggestion .... lets go listen to an even BETTER "reference system" ... How about that Soulution/Magico combo at this quaint little place called Audio Image ? Even mr. Moderator WongKN won't dare dispute this !

mugenfoo wrote:Here's a better suggestion .... lets go listen to an even BETTER "reference system" ... How about that Soulution/Magico combo at this quaint little place called Audio Image ? Even mr. Moderator WongKN won't dare dispute this !

mugen ... mugen dont be punch urs keyboard so hard .
Cool bro

Mugen, just a coincidence. As soon as I go off line, I will meet up with 2 friends in Kelana Jaya, 1 of them will lug his Krell over to try it out with a pair of gigantor of a speaker, the cerwin vegas. After which we may go over to listen to the Magico/Soulution combo, to see how close my system come close to this la. (U know I'm only kidding u, right?).

Mugen. Maybe u could come over too, and cool down with a mug of 'teh tarik' iced! We can't wait to meet up with u la. Now that I recalled, Btw one of my fren met u b4 at hi way laser la!

i always cool one ... and seeing how i love my Mac keyboard with its nice white glowing letterings too. But must also thank all of you also so i get my finger exercise as well....

uncle_vic wrote:Mugen, just a coincidence. As soon as I go off line, I will meet up with 2 friends in Kelana Jaya, 1 of them will lug his Krell over to try it out with a pair of gigantor of a speaker, the cerwin vegas. After which we may go over to listen to the Magico/Soulution combo, to see how close my system come close to this la. (U know I'm only kidding u, right?).

Thats nice ... what Krell is it ?

Hi uncle-vic,

May I have a chance to listen the Magico/Soulution combo? I've been listened the Soulution/Audio Physics combo in Audio Image, but never audited Magico speakers.

Call me if I'm cordially invited for that. Thanks

uncle_vic wrote:Mugen, just a coincidence. As soon as I go off line, I will meet up with 2 friends in Kelana Jaya, 1 of them will lug his Krell over to try it out with a pair of gigantor of a speaker, the cerwin vegas. After which we may go over to listen to the Magico/Soulution combo, to see how close my system come close to this la. (U know I'm only kidding u, right?).

uncle_vic wrote:It's ok with me, that u got to this stage of discussion.

Assuming it's not that difficult to get that flat RF curve in your room; the sound output from your equipments will seldom if not never approach a flat RF, and that's the sound some like over the sound of yet other equipments, some call it signature sound of the equipments.
Technically it's still called colourations if it isn't flat. So if your hearing is not flat and the sound reproduction is not flat, there will always be a tendency for u to like certain setups and dislike certain setups.

However, most of the time, following what the manufacturers recommend to own and listen seems and what reviewers suggest seems suitable for some. Well u could own whatever u think u like even with or without listening to them 1st, if one intends to buy off the shelves. But there are those who prefer to design, and build their own or modify existing gears, for reasons only known to themselves.

If u think u have set up your hifi system correctly which sounds very neutral and good sounding; then I'm pretty sure your setup will be generally known to alot of people, who may want to make a bee line to visit and listen to your setup. If u are to avoid visitors then it would look like u don't really own what u say u could do with it!

Just my 2sens, but I could be wrong, maybe u are in hifi nirvana already. Then show and tell if u could & want to share with others. If not people will think otherwise. You can't control what others think, right?

Uncle Vic,

You still haven't directly answered even one of my questions.
As I mentioned in my previous msg, I do not have a system for you to audition.
I know you will request to audition mine (as you did to other) when you are speechless to answer my questions.

Could you answer your view points about live concert?
What you expect from live concerts?
As I said, you will expect all Berliner Philharmoniker members play according to your ears FM curve?
Simon Rattle may have to retire earlier and you are the only one could be their next Principal Conductor since you know so much about human FM curve.

What do you understand about HIFI (High Fidelity) music reproduction?
Simply tune the sound to follow your FM curve for you to siok sendiri?
Or we must strictly follow audio design rules (flat FR curve, low dist, .....) and accept even rubbish in rubbish out happen?

It is meaningless for me continue to write if you do not have fundamental audio and acoustic background to discuss with.

wahh.. so many old man in hifi.net community

old or young, banyak juga..... especially certain Grandmaster GURUs that they actually have stopped being open minded to new things, and don't even have any proper technical or scientific background but just stick to their own limited experience and mis-information and half-baked anecdotes about a great many things.

There's a term for them .... lets see, oh yes... "Dinosaurs".


Will the real Slim Shady please stand up ? Please stand up ?

I played piano, but it sounded so different when playing pianos of other brand. And in different room.

Same goes to guitars, which i can bring along with me. Somehow, in my room itself, the guitar already sounded not flat. Got some resonant at Bb note with my room. So, what's so great bout flat?

BUT! If i recorded my guitar with a perfect mic (no signal loss), without any treatment on the signal by effects/compressors..

What will happen if i play it back in the same room??

Resonant + resonant = overly resonant... It just doesn't sound as what i recorded.

Perhaps my system is very basic that kind, i just don't belief piano/instrument sound can be recorded and reproduced perfectly in front of me, same scale, same tone, same wood, same room, same everything. Impossible.. Fed up!

THT89 wrote:I played piano, but it sounded so different when playing pianos of other brand. And in different room.

Same goes to guitars, which i can bring along with me. Somehow, in my room itself, the guitar already sounded not flat. Got some resonant at Bb note with my room. So, what's so great bout flat?

BUT! If i recorded my guitar with a perfect mic (no signal loss), without any treatment on the signal by effects/compressors..

What will happen if i play it back in the same room??

Resonant + resonant = overly resonant... It just doesn't sound as what i recorded.

Perhaps my system is very basic that kind, i just don't belief piano/instrument sound can be recorded and reproduced perfectly in front of me, same scale, same tone, same wood, same room, same everything. Impossible.. Fed up!

You forgot a few very crucial elements in your "experiment" which is "RECORDING SESSION itself" & "MASTERING". Ever heard of such names like Doug Sax, Bernie Grundman, Butch Vig, Alan Parsons ... ?

Even mike selection & miking techniques are an art-form executed by skilled recording artisans (aka mr./miss Recording Engineer guy/girl). What mike did u use ? An omni ? a directional cardioids ? Or issit a condenser mike? & do u even know your recording mike's polar pattern ?

What mike placement strategy did u use ... ? ORTF ? Blumlein? NOS ? XY-arrangement? ... etc etc ... ???

BTW, there is no such thing (as far as I have encountered) as a "perfect mike aka no signal loss" ok ? ... All mikes have their own sonic signatures as a Shure sounds like a Shure, an AKG is as itself, and a Telefunken is as Telefunken does, and a Neumann yesterday is still a Neumann today.


Or are you using one of these to do your recording jobs.. ?


(Just kidding ya!)


Audio recording isn't as simple as just a half-hack backyard experiment and then you take this to be representative of the entire audio industry or your own negative experiences (god forbid).

If you've listened to a damn good system playing a recording of Harry Belafonte LIVE at Carnegie Hall, or the Scorpions + Berliner Philharmoniker (album is called Moment of Glory).... then you have known what a damn good recording can deliver right in the comfort of your own home.

Of course recordings will never be able to 100% replicate the actual live experience. But the closer it can get to the real thing, then this is what hi-fi is all about (and not mutilating or "FM-Curving" it to make it sound what u think is pleasant to your own ears).

So before u throw in the towel and say "fed up!" , go forth and seek
more proper knowledge & understanding first. And always remember to Keep an open mind, young
man ... keep an open mind. (another broken record).

Simple rule of thumb....

Your favourite CD or LP ( for some ) in your collection..... as you have heard it over & over & over again in your setup.... any difference .... you should be able to pick it up..

I never never utilize the CD's in the retailers collection.....

cheers

Mugen....

Canggih recording Device....... ,




cheers

I think 'dinasaurs' are a dying breed that draws upon their own memory bank for information, compared to those who merely repeat what they managed to 'google'! So 'dinasaurs' will have to make way for the young 'cikus' to amass data & information in bio form which they slowly replace the 'electronic' form!

Those who think they have a damn good sounding systems, I would expect a beeline to their listening room, book a listening session well ahead of time & even being reviewed and placed on the WWW!

those who have 'damn good sound system' will have it at that time being only, after some time.. minus the damn, & minus the good & whats left just a sound system, until you decide to refresh or quit!! nothing last forever.. cheers

uncle_vic wrote:I think 'dinasaurs' are a dying breed that draws upon their own memory bank for information, compared to those who merely repeat what they managed to 'google'! So 'dinasaurs' will have to make way for the young 'cikus' to amass data & information in bio form which they slowly replace the 'electronic' form!

Those who think they have a damn good sounding systems, I would expect a beeline to their listening room, book a listening session well ahead of time & even being reviewed and placed on the WWW!

But the problem is ... alot of "dinosaurs" might *think* they have hell lot of experience .... but in real life, they haven't even seen the sh!t from a big snake (like how they say in Cantonese). Oh, and no they're not a dying breed. More like they are actually extinct and irrelevant in present times already.

And everyone knows how big is the brain capacity of a typical dinosaur.


Oh yes ....and i've just been told by some of my spies that yesterday
there were 3-amigos did more than just listen to a soulution/magico
system. Pretty much acting like kids in a candy store (in a good way of
course) ...

azri wrote:those who have 'damn good sound system' will have it at that time being only, after some time.. minus the damn, & minus the good & whats left just a sound system, until you decide to refresh or quit!! nothing last forever.. cheers

so how is your bi-amping attempt ? managed to get some "damn good sound" out of it already ?

by yhsam
Yesterday at 3:52 pmHi uncle-vic,

May I have a
chance to listen the Magico/Soulution combo? I've been listened the
Soulution/Audio Physics combo in Audio Image, but never audited Magico
speakers.

Call me at 012-3207119 if I'm cordially invited for
that. Thanks


/Nice of u to give me your contact no. anyway we already went there. And incidentally, I got a call from a friend that one of your fiends have tried to hooked up with us to go listen to your setup.
We will surely come by. Let's take this off list. thxs

it works but its too bright. not easy to drive 120w spekon, further more its 6 ohm impedance. obviously yamaha does not have enough grunt to drive it, so, im back to rotel..

I would like to know this supposedly 'Motig-Tiger' has some shit brain or not. Calling dinosaurs to all old folks. The way he behave is calling all our forumers fathers, mothers, grand parents also dinosaurs that does not include himself, as he do not know where he come from.