Power Cable For Subwoofer
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Re: Power Cable For Subwoofer
signal cable magic power cheap and good
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Re: Power Cable For Subwoofer
WireWorld Stratus 5. Copper Line - Alpha Power.
Component quality, the Copper Line is better than the WireWorld. Sound wise, the Stratus 5 is much better... well I never tested it in subwoofer before though.
IMO, you dont need to be so critical on power cord for Subwoofer.. if you are not really hifi mad . After all it only took care of such a limited range of the frequency spectrum. Well not everyone will agree on this one.
The feet support and placement of woofer should be the most important aspects of the tuning. Speaking from a person who never own a subwoofer before
Component quality, the Copper Line is better than the WireWorld. Sound wise, the Stratus 5 is much better... well I never tested it in subwoofer before though.
IMO, you dont need to be so critical on power cord for Subwoofer.. if you are not really hifi mad . After all it only took care of such a limited range of the frequency spectrum. Well not everyone will agree on this one.
The feet support and placement of woofer should be the most important aspects of the tuning. Speaking from a person who never own a subwoofer before
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Re: Power Cable For Subwoofer
The way I choose to achieve the reproduction of lowest frequency (say 16 to 150Hz) with a minimun budget like me. I would use Active Servo Powered Subwoofers. It is easier and cheaper to do with such configuration rather than buying some exotic speakers that is beyond my reach. Or perhaps, you are already owned your Choice Speakers (main speakers) and thinking to extent its bass content.
My choice -"precisely my choice"of setting up such configuration used on my present system:
Here are the followings which I think would be useful:
(1) Crossover Frequency setting at the Sub
(2) Gain/volume
(3) Signal wire (with extreme good shielding )from pre-out/amp to
subs
(4) Phasing
(5) Placement of Subs
(6) Stereo subs - my prefered choice: one for each channel on HIFI
(7) How to wire up, if your amp does not have the facilities for such.
( How to wire up, if you required more than one pair of subs.
(9) Try to avoid unshielded wires to subs.
(10) Choose a front firing type if you like more direct impact.
(11) ...
(99) Power Cord
Power cord come last in my shopping list. I am still using its original cords that come with the subwoofers. If you could solve all the above except (99), save those money and buy those 100% shielded signal wire (OFC wire)
I do not blame the power cord, if I can not get it right.
My choice -"precisely my choice"of setting up such configuration used on my present system:
Here are the followings which I think would be useful:
(1) Crossover Frequency setting at the Sub
(2) Gain/volume
(3) Signal wire (with extreme good shielding )from pre-out/amp to
subs
(4) Phasing
(5) Placement of Subs
(6) Stereo subs - my prefered choice: one for each channel on HIFI
(7) How to wire up, if your amp does not have the facilities for such.
( How to wire up, if you required more than one pair of subs.
(9) Try to avoid unshielded wires to subs.
(10) Choose a front firing type if you like more direct impact.
(11) ...
(99) Power Cord
Power cord come last in my shopping list. I am still using its original cords that come with the subwoofers. If you could solve all the above except (99), save those money and buy those 100% shielded signal wire (OFC wire)
I do not blame the power cord, if I can not get it right.
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Re: Power Cable For Subwoofer
Being in this hobby brings forward a lot of this finicky ideas and sometimes sleepless nights to a lot of us (look at the times in the wee hour of the morning some of our forummers post their comments.. )
Anyway, while I'm oft affected by this fickleness, for me these words from Passlabs (nee. Nelson Pass) owners manual for their power amps, their view of interconnects and speaker cables help a bit. I suppose applicable to power cables for subs.. and which I take as the general rule when it comes to these snakes..
"..We have a general recommendation about interconnects, which is that they should cost less than the amplifier, and be flexible enough to work with. We have tried a lot of products and most of them work well, but as a practical matter we cannot make blanket recommendations.
The amplifier is not sensitive to source interconnects or ground loops. It is also not sensitive to radio frequency pickup, which allows some flexibility in choosing source interconnects without shields, though shields are always in good taste.
We prefer speaker cables that are thick and short. Silver and copper are the preferred metals. If you find any cable made of gold, please gift us a couple hundred meters.
.....
We have found that about 90 per cent of bad sounding cables are in reality bad sounding connections, and we recommend that special attention be paid to cleanliness of contact surfaces and proper fit...."
Enjoy your cables ooopppss... your music
Anyway, while I'm oft affected by this fickleness, for me these words from Passlabs (nee. Nelson Pass) owners manual for their power amps, their view of interconnects and speaker cables help a bit. I suppose applicable to power cables for subs.. and which I take as the general rule when it comes to these snakes..
"..We have a general recommendation about interconnects, which is that they should cost less than the amplifier, and be flexible enough to work with. We have tried a lot of products and most of them work well, but as a practical matter we cannot make blanket recommendations.
The amplifier is not sensitive to source interconnects or ground loops. It is also not sensitive to radio frequency pickup, which allows some flexibility in choosing source interconnects without shields, though shields are always in good taste.
We prefer speaker cables that are thick and short. Silver and copper are the preferred metals. If you find any cable made of gold, please gift us a couple hundred meters.
.....
We have found that about 90 per cent of bad sounding cables are in reality bad sounding connections, and we recommend that special attention be paid to cleanliness of contact surfaces and proper fit...."
Enjoy your cables ooopppss... your music
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Re: Power Cable For Subwoofer
This is a surefire way to get more bass...
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Re: Power Cable For Subwoofer
Isnt that barang help to makan bass???
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It is alway the easiest way out of pointing a finger who is making a "sweeping statement".
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chewkwokhon wrote:It is alway the easiest way out of pointing a finger who is making a "sweeping statement".
Well I suppose it's easy for someone like Nelson Pass
Anyway, as mentioned I do delve into power chords as well with a couple of Shunyata's power snakes, Transparent, Cardas PC poking into the rear-end of my gears and by the way a Kimber PK10Ag for the sub.. the local submiester said for a smooth (I think 'clean') punchy pc for the Rhytmik.. Hope that not too much of a 'sweeping statement'
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I don't need your explaination on this matter. It is your choice putting Power Cord first in your shopping list.
Clearly you failed to read- I always put "I...", "my...", "...me..." in my posting. It is up to anyone to make a choice or totally disregard the whole matter.
I always thought that forumers here are the well mannered type of persons who gone to school before.
Clearly you failed to read- I always put "I...", "my...", "...me..." in my posting. It is up to anyone to make a choice or totally disregard the whole matter.
I always thought that forumers here are the well mannered type of persons who gone to school before.
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adrian4454 wrote:Isnt that barang help to makan bass???
You are absolutely right!
Now for the mind boggling part , you need to "makan" more bass in order to get more bass! Seems totally counter-intuitive... but absolutely true!
I have proof.
But i think i'll pass on the opportunity to delve into lengthy technical explanations like last time.... must be a sign of age catching up also...
If you're really keen, i can refer u to some links, and then u can form your own conclusions...
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Link away.... Where are the links already?
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Re: Power Cable For Subwoofer
chewkwokhon wrote:I don't need your explaination on this matter. It is your choice putting Power Cord first in your shopping list.
Clearly you failed to read- I always put "I...", "my...", "...me..." in my posting. It is up to anyone to make a choice or totally disregard the whole matter.
I always thought that forumers here are the well mannered type of persons who gone to school before.
Mr Chew, lighten up.. Fair enough, pardon my lingo at times but you're right, didn't attend kindy as my kampong was too hulu then and was a college drop out once upon a time downunder:D
At times I think this sort of banter is what NP was thinking (and chuckling away) while preparing the manual..
Anyway, MF, interesting gear.. I was advised by a visitor last weekend to put the 'diffuser' (whatchamacallit) type 'something' like the protruding skyscrapers in the middle of the wall between the speakers. Looking for one..
Long, since you have wireworld swirled around your lovely, give them a go.. i.e their PCs.. Enjoy the music
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JediSavant wrote:Link away.... Where are the links already?
The gist of it is this:
In a typical listening room environment, Bass reflections within the room is responsible for killing and exciting specific bass frequencies. These are the "peak" and "null" points, if you were to plot them on a freq response graph.
With adequate bass trapping, the bass response would come back towards the speaker's factory measured response graphs.
And with a waterfall (time decay) plot, you would actually be able to better appreciate how these room interferences really wreck havoc on the sound.
Not only do they make certain freqs louder or softer, but the more sinister problem is in having unnaturally long decay times for certain particular freqs.
http://www.tubetrap.com/bass_traps_articles/room-acoustics-and-low-frequency.htm
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/bass-traps-acoustic-panels-foam-etc/397137-modal-ringing.html
http://www.realtraps.com/facts.htm
Lastly,here is the argument against electronic EQ and other fancy console style equalisers in a self-respecting home hifi rig (yes, this includes certain particular "linearizer" devices which is still just an over-glorified bass/treble sonic salt & vinegar machine).
http://www.realtraps.com/art_audyssey.htm
Maybe admin can move this to a new thread titled:
Room acoustics 101.
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Re: Power Cable For Subwoofer
Need cushions and bolsters and blankets and giant soft toys...
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Re: Power Cable For Subwoofer
Hi Mugen, after all age isnt really catching up on u.. still got the links!!
Anyway, I do understand the idea of makan bass to get more bass, the most evil bass is reflection or resonance pumping out from the room that the equipment is located.
now the definition of more bass, is in fact more quality bass..instead of a wall of deep bloated hum..
So Mr. Long should start looking for those curtain with frame first.
Anyway, I do understand the idea of makan bass to get more bass, the most evil bass is reflection or resonance pumping out from the room that the equipment is located.
now the definition of more bass, is in fact more quality bass..instead of a wall of deep bloated hum..
So Mr. Long should start looking for those curtain with frame first.
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Re: Power Cable For Subwoofer
Long wrote:i just looking power cable for my subwoofer....any member can Introduction/Commend??thanks........
to save cost,you may diy them yourself, get a thick cable,belden wires cheap and good result. note the cable bring less than 10% of the improvement,invest megabuck will prove a waste,i experienced it myself....identifiy the bootle neck somewhere along the stream,fixed it yield much more improvement..it may not be the cabling itself that caused:idea: .
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