The 1st power cord to change
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The 1st power cord to change
Hi all sifu,
i am using a DAC and an integrated amplifier with china made power conditioner, which power cord has the highest priority to upgrade?
1. DAC
2. Amplifier
3. Power Conditioner
currently all my power cord are computer power cord(but special picked), hope get some sifu input which power cord to go 1st~
And as i am rental a room outside, changing the power socket seems impossible, i think that to go power cord with UK plug from wall socket, then all US plug for equipment but this seems has inverse Live problem~
is it ok i just inverse the Live cable on the power cord from wall plug?
Thanks~ hope u can understand my bad English ^^
i am using a DAC and an integrated amplifier with china made power conditioner, which power cord has the highest priority to upgrade?
1. DAC
2. Amplifier
3. Power Conditioner
currently all my power cord are computer power cord(but special picked), hope get some sifu input which power cord to go 1st~
And as i am rental a room outside, changing the power socket seems impossible, i think that to go power cord with UK plug from wall socket, then all US plug for equipment but this seems has inverse Live problem~
is it ok i just inverse the Live cable on the power cord from wall plug?
Thanks~ hope u can understand my bad English ^^
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Re: The 1st power cord to change
Welcome from Lowyat.net ....
Here's the place for serious hi-fi freaks and nut-heads compared to the "LYN Audiophile" section.
Have you tried NOT using the power conditioner? Alot of "power conditioners" tend to kill the dynamics and soundstaging of the system. Unless you're serious enough to get something like a big badass Richard Grey or a PurePower gear. But this is just a suggestion only. Try and see. If it sounds worse without the China-made power conditioner, then by all means stick with it.
And since you're renting a room, better not to bother with US plugs for now. Just use a power cord with good UK plugs like those big sturdy MK stuff. if u got to convert from UK to US ... you're actually adding more unnecessary links in the AC line. Why do this ?
Back to power cords, buy a good power cord, and try using it on the DAC vs. the Amp separately. Which do you hear more sonic improvement? If more on the DAC, then use for DAC section. If more on the Amp, then use for Amp section.
But don't be surprised in case you don't hear any diff either way. In this case, hope you've just "borrowed" the cable and not bought it outright. That way you won't have wasted $$$ buying something u can't hear any difference!
In some systems, fancy power cords make a big difference but on some other systems, putting fancy power cords don't do jack. Whenever possible, try before buying.
Here's the place for serious hi-fi freaks and nut-heads compared to the "LYN Audiophile" section.
Have you tried NOT using the power conditioner? Alot of "power conditioners" tend to kill the dynamics and soundstaging of the system. Unless you're serious enough to get something like a big badass Richard Grey or a PurePower gear. But this is just a suggestion only. Try and see. If it sounds worse without the China-made power conditioner, then by all means stick with it.
And since you're renting a room, better not to bother with US plugs for now. Just use a power cord with good UK plugs like those big sturdy MK stuff. if u got to convert from UK to US ... you're actually adding more unnecessary links in the AC line. Why do this ?
Back to power cords, buy a good power cord, and try using it on the DAC vs. the Amp separately. Which do you hear more sonic improvement? If more on the DAC, then use for DAC section. If more on the Amp, then use for Amp section.
But don't be surprised in case you don't hear any diff either way. In this case, hope you've just "borrowed" the cable and not bought it outright. That way you won't have wasted $$$ buying something u can't hear any difference!
In some systems, fancy power cords make a big difference but on some other systems, putting fancy power cords don't do jack. Whenever possible, try before buying.
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Re: The 1st power cord to change
Mugen Bro's said it all.. I do find from my own personal experience that the first power cable upgrade works more with source ie. dac or cd player. Took quite some time to find a power cable for my amp that doesn't soften the leading edge dynamics dulling the music..
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Re: The 1st power cord to change
Hi llsaw,
Have you tried PS Audio ac cords even the cheaper one, which may solve your problem while maintaining body and weight without lean sounding.
However, if you are still using Rega cd player, I think changing cable wouldn't greatly help, as Rega cdp is relatively quite warm in nature.
Have you tried PS Audio ac cords even the cheaper one, which may solve your problem while maintaining body and weight without lean sounding.
However, if you are still using Rega cd player, I think changing cable wouldn't greatly help, as Rega cdp is relatively quite warm in nature.
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Re: The 1st power cord to change
Guys,
What do you think of this argument (HERESY LAPAN)? (Everytime I type 8, the emoticon appears, sigh...)
http://www.lampizator.eu/HERESY/heresy.html
What do you think of this argument (HERESY LAPAN)? (Everytime I type 8, the emoticon appears, sigh...)
http://www.lampizator.eu/HERESY/heresy.html
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Re: The 1st power cord to change
All sifus,
What does he mean by TRAFO in the article of above link?
What does he mean by TRAFO in the article of above link?
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Re: The 1st power cord to change
mugenfoo wrote:Welcome from Lowyat.net ....
Here's the place for serious hi-fi freaks and nut-heads compared to the "LYN Audiophile" section.
Have you tried NOT using the power conditioner? Alot of "power conditioners" tend to kill the dynamics and soundstaging of the system. Unless you're serious enough to get something like a big badass Richard Grey or a PurePower gear. But this is just a suggestion only. Try and see. If it sounds worse without the China-made power conditioner, then by all means stick with it.
And since you're renting a room, better not to bother with US plugs for now. Just use a power cord with good UK plugs like those big sturdy MK stuff. if u got to convert from UK to US ... you're actually adding more unnecessary links in the AC line. Why do this ?
Back to power cords, buy a good power cord, and try using it on the DAC vs. the Amp separately. Which do you hear more sonic improvement? If more on the DAC, then use for DAC section. If more on the Amp, then use for Amp section.
But don't be surprised in case you don't hear any diff either way. In this case, hope you've just "borrowed" the cable and not bought it outright. That way you won't have wasted $$$ buying something u can't hear any difference!
In some systems, fancy power cords make a big difference but on some other systems, putting fancy power cords don't do jack. Whenever possible, try before buying.
The china power conditioner i found really kill a bit of dynamic but improve on noise floor and i found better "dynamic" not mean better music else you will see me using a Dynaudio with "monster" power amplifier.
I do think that it is because of extra "computer power cord" from wall plug to power conditioner, may be a better power cord help to get back the lost dynamic.
Furthermore, the reason i need a power conditioner is i will ON my Naim most of the time and i am not staying at home 24 hour, so the power conditioner can act as another protection for my system, but why not get a belkin? just it cant change the power cord so i lost an option to fine tune my system.
I do think that u can give me an analysis or experience which power cord to upgrade, for example
"source get most improve according to my past experience, XXX power cord suitable or what kind of power cord use on which type of equipment, what the characteristic of XXX brand/type of power cord"
"cure the source 1st, change the power cord from wall plug to power conditioner 1st"
if i had a chance to borrow and try on my system i think you would not had a chance to see this discussion here.
The reason i think to change to US plug still the most basic problem, there is a fuse on UK plug which how good your power cord is still pass through the cheapo fuse, and i know the important of fuse in UK plug to protect cables melt by overload but may be there is a UK plug with fuse from wall socket will be ok.
I can clearly listen the sound with difference power cord as i try get all the power cord i had and try 1 by 1 to get the best power cord for the equipment.
Thanks~
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Re: The 1st power cord to change
hughesths wrote:Hi llsaw,
Have you tried PS Audio ac cords even the cheaper one, which may solve your problem while maintaining body and weight without lean sounding.
However, if you are still using Rega cd player, I think changing cable wouldn't greatly help, as Rega cdp is relatively quite warm in nature.
The softening of leading edge dynamics does not mean lean sound or less body and weight. I'm no longer using the Rega Saturn but a Siltech SPX-20 works wonders to it and also A Van den Hul Mainserver
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Re: The 1st power cord to change
skydna wrote:mugenfoo wrote:Welcome from Lowyat.net ....
Here's the place for serious hi-fi freaks and nut-heads compared to the "LYN Audiophile" section.
Have you tried NOT using the power conditioner? Alot of "power conditioners" tend to kill the dynamics and soundstaging of the system. Unless you're serious enough to get something like a big badass Richard Grey or a PurePower gear. But this is just a suggestion only. Try and see. If it sounds worse without the China-made power conditioner, then by all means stick with it.
And since you're renting a room, better not to bother with US plugs for now. Just use a power cord with good UK plugs like those big sturdy MK stuff. if u got to convert from UK to US ... you're actually adding more unnecessary links in the AC line. Why do this ?
Back to power cords, buy a good power cord, and try using it on the DAC vs. the Amp separately. Which do you hear more sonic improvement? If more on the DAC, then use for DAC section. If more on the Amp, then use for Amp section.
But don't be surprised in case you don't hear any diff either way. In this case, hope you've just "borrowed" the cable and not bought it outright. That way you won't have wasted $$$ buying something u can't hear any difference!
In some systems, fancy power cords make a big difference but on some other systems, putting fancy power cords don't do jack. Whenever possible, try before buying.
The china power conditioner i found really kill a bit of dynamic but improve on noise floor and i found better "dynamic" not mean better music else you will see me using a Dynaudio with "monster" power amplifier.
I do think that it is because of extra "computer power cord" from wall plug to power conditioner, may be a better power cord help to get back the lost dynamic.
Furthermore, the reason i need a power conditioner is i will ON my Naim most of the time and i am not staying at home 24 hour, so the power conditioner can act as another protection for my system, but why not get a belkin? just it cant change the power cord so i lost an option to fine tune my system.
I do think that u can give me an analysis or experience which power cord to upgrade, for example
"source get most improve according to my past experience, XXX power cord suitable or what kind of power cord use on which type of equipment, what the characteristic of XXX brand/type of power cord"
"cure the source 1st, change the power cord from wall plug to power conditioner 1st"
if i had a chance to borrow and try on my system i think you would not had a chance to see this discussion here.
The reason i think to change to US plug still the most basic problem, there is a fuse on UK plug which how good your power cord is still pass through the cheapo fuse, and i know the important of fuse in UK plug to protect cables melt by overload but may be there is a UK plug with fuse from wall socket will be ok.
I can clearly listen the sound with difference power cord as i try get all the power cord i had and try 1 by 1 to get the best power cord for the equipment.
Thanks~
looks like u are much more expert than alot of us here already re. power cords and stuff....
Have a nice day!
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Re: The 1st power cord to change
btw, how power conditioner kill the dynamic?? I tot it provide a steady/stable power to equipment, and the equipment can perform with watever characteristic it designed too... enlighten me pls.
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Re: The 1st power cord to change
a Japanese Zen master during the Meiji era, received a university
professor who came to inquire about Zen.
The Zen master served tea. He poured his visitor’s cup full, and then kept on
pouring.
The professor watched the overflow until he no longer could
restrain himself. “It is overfull. No more will go in!”
The Zen master replied: "You are full of your own opinions and
speculations. How can I show you Zen unless you first empty your cup?"
professor who came to inquire about Zen.
The Zen master served tea. He poured his visitor’s cup full, and then kept on
pouring.
The professor watched the overflow until he no longer could
restrain himself. “It is overfull. No more will go in!”
The Zen master replied: "You are full of your own opinions and
speculations. How can I show you Zen unless you first empty your cup?"
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Re: The 1st power cord to change
mugenfoo wrote:a Japanese Zen master during the Meiji era, received a university
professor who came to inquire about Zen.
The Zen master served tea. He poured his visitor’s cup full, and then kept on
pouring.
The professor watched the overflow until he no longer could
restrain himself. “It is overfull. No more will go in!”
The Zen master replied: "You are full of your own opinions and
speculations. How can I show you Zen unless you first empty your cup?"
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Re: The 1st power cord to change
Reminds me of the scene in Red Cliff where Lin Chiling pouring the tea into Cao Cao's cup.. hahahahahahaha...mugenfoo wrote:a Japanese Zen master during the Meiji era, received a university
professor who came to inquire about Zen.
The Zen master served tea. He poured his visitor’s cup full, and then kept on
pouring.
The professor watched the overflow until he no longer could
restrain himself. “It is overfull. No more will go in!”
The Zen master replied: "You are full of your own opinions and
speculations. How can I show you Zen unless you first empty your cup?"
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Re: The 1st power cord to change
back to power, can i use power stablelizer for computer to my system?
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Re: The 1st power cord to change
car o scope wrote:Reminds me of the scene in Red Cliff where Lin Chiling pouring the tea into Cao Cao's cup.. hahahahahahaha...mugenfoo wrote:a Japanese Zen master during the Meiji era, received a university
professor who came to inquire about Zen.
The Zen master served tea. He poured his visitor’s cup full, and then kept on
pouring.
The professor watched the overflow until he no longer could
restrain himself. “It is overfull. No more will go in!”
The Zen master replied: "You are full of your own opinions and
speculations. How can I show you Zen unless you first empty your cup?"
IIRC, similar conversation also appear in the movie "2012"
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