KLIAV 2011 show - top 3 systems

by carz Mon Aug 01, 2011 5:32 pm

Let's share and vote what is the top 3 systems @ KLIAV 2011

My vote for No1 goes to the ElectroCompaniet system. Can't decide for no 2 and 3 though

by **htkaki** Mon Aug 01, 2011 5:41 pm

Top system : Ktema driven by Orpheus.

by joeling Mon Aug 01, 2011 6:39 pm

Top of my list but not in order

1) German Physiks - for dynamics + stereotype shattering (for me at least) omnis imaging capabilities

2) Harbeth P3 - I like it enough to buy a pair. So finally I can say I'm a Harbeth owner Twisted Evil

3) STAX 007 - put my money where my mouth is...

honourable mention :

1) Bryston + PMC
2) Jo Ki's room (did not spend enough time to make a thorough judgement but so many people)
3) Triangle room - I sought out the CD played through that system
4) ARC + Sonus Faber combo - Pity it was playing lounge music but I'm an ARC fan boy
5) The Xavian from Eastern Europe also sounded nice
6) Budget system - The small Castle + Cambridge combo sounded way better than they should

Regards,
Joe Ling

by carz Mon Aug 01, 2011 6:59 pm

joeling

>>>Triangle room - I sought out the CD played through that system
What CD was that ??

>>German Physiks - They demoed a very dynamic "chinese drum and cymbal" track. The dynamics are truly very impressive. But what lost me there was that the cymbals sounded truncated ....like having stopped halfway, with no overtones and follow through. Was the cymbal intentionally played that or did the speaker missed something ?

Does anyone know what CD that was used for the demo ?

by gloraglory Mon Aug 01, 2011 8:15 pm

for me the best room is

jo ki room, good sound stage and friendly owner Very Happy

nagra room

castle room, very simple setup but nice sound, they just plug in Cambridge combo direct to wall socket using standard power cable. cheers

by joeling Mon Aug 01, 2011 8:44 pm

carz wrote:joeling

>>>Triangle room - I sought out the CD played through that system
What CD was that ??

>>German Physiks - They demoed a very dynamic "chinese drum and cymbal" track. The dynamics are truly very impressive. But what lost me there was that the cymbals sounded truncated ....like having stopped halfway, with no overtones and follow through. Was the cymbal intentionally played that or did the speaker missed something ?

Does anyone know what CD that was used for the demo ?

They had Shelby Lynne - A little Lovin' on demo. Cannot find the CD anymore. Bought the vinyl instead.

One of the test tracks used was the Sheffield Drum Test CD. Don't know the Chinese or it Japanese drum pieces played later.

Regards,
Joe Ling

by cmboy Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:31 pm

I'm always mesmerized by the McIntosh system. Whatever they tune it for AV or hifi, its always a very very entertaining audition. This time at the AV, it shows its pedigree and I've no complaints if it was tuned for hifi, never will bore or become monotonous. I concluded no other AV presentation matched it or even near it at the show. If I've the dosh..a Mc system would be my top choice anytime.

The PMC/Bryston combo was just too clinical and clean, with so many obvious Torus power conditioners seen around and an overkill.

Linn Lp12 system?...Errrrrrrrrr Shocked

by **htkaki** Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:42 pm

joeling wrote:Top of my list but not in order

1) German Physiks - for dynamics + stereotype shattering (for me at least) omnis imaging capabilities

2) Harbeth P3 - I like it enough to buy a pair. So finally I can say I'm a Harbeth owner

3) STAX 007 - put my money where my mouth is...

honourable mention :

1) Bryston + PMC
2) Jo Ki's room (did not spend enough time to make a thorough judgement but so many people)
3) Triangle room - I sought out the CD played through that system
4) ARC + Sonus Faber combo - Pity it was playing lounge music but I'm an ARC fan boy
5) The Xavian from Eastern Europe also sounded nice
6) Budget system - The small Castle + Cambridge combo sounded way better than they should

Regards,
Joe Ling

Thank you for making Triangle in the list.

I believe the CD that you looking for sounds something like this :

I'm 21 and I'm five foot nine

Got a face and a body to change your mind

I'm a picture so fine to see,

Whenever I walk the streets of town

The men and the boys they all fall down

Saying " Darling, come home with me,

Oh, pretty darling, come home with me"

by jokiarch Mon Aug 01, 2011 11:55 pm

joeling wrote:Top of my list but not in order

1) German Physiks - for dynamics + stereotype shattering (for me at least) omnis imaging capabilities

2) Harbeth P3 - I like it enough to buy a pair. So finally I can say I'm a Harbeth owner

3) STAX 007 - put my money where my mouth is...

honourable mention :

1) Bryston + PMC
2) Jo Ki's room (did not spend enough time to make a thorough judgement but so many people)
3) Triangle room - I sought out the CD played through that system
4) ARC + Sonus Faber combo - Pity it was playing lounge music but I'm an ARC fan boy
5) The Xavian from Eastern Europe also sounded nice
6) Budget system - The small Castle + Cambridge combo sounded way better than they should

Regards,
Joe Ling

Sorry Joe Ling, if you had identified yourself to me, I would cleared the room just for you. However, thank you for picking LS3/5A room in your honourable list Very Happy

.

Yes, there were many visitors throughout all 3 days and I thank all.

by jokiarch Tue Aug 02, 2011 12:12 am

gloraglory wrote:for me the best room is

jo ki room, good sound stage and friendly owner

nagra room

castle room, very simple setup but nice sound, they just plug in Cambridge combo direct to wall socket using standard power cable.

Gloraglory,

Thank you so much for your vote, very honourable.

With the given limited time that all exhibitors have, I have to say that they, as well as myself, were fighting against time before the show is opened to public. We have barely one day to make our system sing and that is no easy feat. My personal opinion of the show this year is the standard has improved! This is commendable indeed and I congratulate all exhibitors for their good efforts!

Jo

by mugenfoo Tue Aug 02, 2011 12:18 am

carz wrote:joeling

>>>Triangle room - I sought out the CD played through that system
What CD was that ??

htkaki wrote:
I believe the CD that you looking for sounds something like this :

I'm 21 and I'm five foot nine

Got a face and a body to change your mind

I'm a picture so fine to see,

Whenever I walk the streets of town

The men and the boys they all fall down

Saying " Darling, come home with me,

Oh, pretty darling, come home with me"

Amanda McBroom - Dreaming.

The XRCD2 version is the best pressing so far.

The original CD was released in the mid-late 80s under the Monster Music (related to Monster Cable) label.

by carz Tue Aug 02, 2011 12:21 am

I concur with joeling that the Castle sounded surprisingly good (i prefer their smallest floorstander to the bigger models for its midrange).

JoKi's LS3/5A system also sounded very good.

Another surprise is the Indian made Rethm Saadhana speakers.

However what i cannot understand is why those megasystems like Focus-JM Labs/McIntosh, Dynaudio Evidence Temptation/Jeff Rowland, JBL Everest, Sonus Faber amati futura.. all sounded so poor. These are all very expensive systems !!

They were all supported with expensive sources, cables etc. For the purpose of learning, can someone shed some light as to why this may be so ? I am not sure if these setups are supported by any power conditioning equipment. Room acoustics alone does not explain it all.

by carz Tue Aug 02, 2011 12:34 am

>>>>Amanda McBroom - Dreaming

Thanks Mugen

by sflam Tue Aug 02, 2011 5:14 pm

carz wrote:

For the purpose of learning, can someone shed some light as to why this may be so ? I am not sure if these setups are supported by any power conditioning equipment. Room acoustics alone does not explain it all.

a lot of it is due to room acoustics. ask htkaki how he struggled to get decent sound with his svs sub-woofers last year.

the rooms on the 4th floor where the mega systems are located are all very big. for e.g. the av designs' room is something like 30 ft X 60 ft.

the cmy, perfect hifi and audio perfectionist rooms are also very huge.

for e.g. last year, the pro ac carbon 8 at cmy's room did not sound good, but at the cmy showroom which measures 20' X 30' they sounded very good.

most of the systems at the kliavs had power conditioning.

by cmboy Tue Aug 02, 2011 5:35 pm

sflam wrote:[
most of the systems at the kliavs had power conditioning.

Thats near mandatory as hotel or many highrise 13A sockets are all ring circuits, moreover hotel ones may go though solid state switching (keycard actuated power). Its not good for hifi..afterall its still a hotel with purpose and intent.

by **htkaki** Tue Aug 02, 2011 5:43 pm

sflam wrote:a lot of it is due to room acoustics. ask htkaki how he struggled to get decent sound with his svs sub-woofers last year.

It was a nightmare if you ask me about the room that we occupied in 2010 Crying or Very sad

The HF and mid were quite ok in the room except LFE. The bass is missing in the odd shape room. scratch

I found out that the wall is of hollow partition. With even 6 subwoofers, I struggle to get the impact. Truth to be told, it was only half of the performance of a single PB13-Ultra in my demo room. I did everything that I could for 3 days until I finally gave up on Sat night.

I told Ron Stimpson that it's killing me with such lousy LFE. He thought that I was too fussy. When he came to my demo room on Monday, I demo it again to him with the single PB13-U. Only then, he knew why (BTW, not many Americans' homes have solid walls for their HT rooms)

For those who had been to my HT room or owned one, they knew how a SVS should sound. I wonder how the tenant of the room fared since I did not have the chance to audition their system.

Having said that, my POV for this room might not be a good yardstick or representation of other rooms since my experience only limit to this room as well as room 8031.

by **WongKN** Tue Aug 02, 2011 6:43 pm

Well I believe some of the big guys, e.g. Perfect Hifi and CMY, were sharing parts of the main ballroom. I think they were divided by a piece of cloth !! This I thought was one of the reasons why they turned the volume up so loud. Then there was Audio Perfectionist who was playing AV at a very loud volume, just so it can be heard above the din from the adjacent rooms.

I have always wondered why the big guns chose the Level 4 rooms. They are typically so unsympathetic to good sound. CMY is smarter this year, they also had a room at Level 7 or 8 (forgot which) where they put their top of the range system. It suffered from bass boom on Friday but sounded better, with an LP with less bass content, on Sunday evening.

by sflam Tue Aug 02, 2011 7:09 pm

wongkn wrote:

Well I believe some of the big guys, e.g. Perfect Hifi and CMY, were sharing parts of the main ballroom. I think they were divided by a piece of cloth !!

when i was at cmy, i thought i was hearing some strange sounds from the left speaker until i realised the sound was from the neighbour - perfect hifi's system.

the same thing happened at perfect hifi's room. the strange sound from the right side was from cmy.

the two dealers were playing different types of music - cmy played chinese music while perfect hifi played western pop.

by mugenfoo Tue Aug 02, 2011 7:15 pm

This is the true STEREO EFFECT ! Razz

by **htkaki** Tue Aug 02, 2011 7:20 pm

Jinjang Foo, it's surround effect lah lol!

by **VS126** Tue Aug 02, 2011 7:20 pm

There are many good sounding room but the friendiest room goes to Uncle Jo's Ls3/5a Room.

Thanks JK, for giving me the captain's seat. Great sound, good company.

See you again KLIAV '2012.

by carz Tue Aug 02, 2011 8:23 pm

so VS126, which rooms tickles your fancy most ?

by fizi Tue Aug 02, 2011 8:59 pm

1-Nagra

KLIAV 2011 show - top 3 systems Img_1720

2-Audio Note
KLIAV 2011 show - top 3 systems Img_1721

3-Harbeth

KLIAV 2011 show - top 3 systems Img_1722

All time favorite room - Mr Jo Ki Ls3/5a
( Sorry Mr Jo i luv this picture Twisted Evil

)

KLIAV 2011 show - top 3 systems Img_1819

by **Hi-Fi 4 Sale** Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:01 pm

Fizi,

We also have something for you...drop by @ CMY Sunway Giza Mall the next time & call me.

Cheers,

by fizi Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:09 pm

Hi-Fi 4 Sale wrote:Fizi,

We also have something for you...drop by @ CMY Sunway Giza Mall the next time & call me.

Cheers,

Thank You Mr Hi54Sale....will meet up when im in KL,maybe we can gather few members again..Amcorp Mall is the place that i'll never miss when drop to KL cheers

p/s - never think about any appreciation laaaa lol!

by jokiarch Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:15 pm

carz wrote:

JoKi's LS3/5A system also sounded very good.

Thank you Carz.

by jokiarch Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:40 pm

VS126 wrote:There are many good sounding room but the friendiest room goes to Uncle Jo's Ls3/5a Room.

Thanks JK, for giving me the captain's seat. Great sound, good company.

See you again KLIAV '2012.

Hi VS126, it was good to see you. And you definitely deserves the emperor's seat of my room!

I can more or less recognise most of the visitors after doing the show for so many years. Many of them also seeing me growing older, hence the title "uncle" has come of age I must say.

Thank you for recognising my room.

Jo Ki

by jokiarch Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:18 pm

fizi wrote:
All time favorite room - Mr Jo Ki Ls3/5a
( Sorry Mr Jo i luv this picture )

Ha.. fizi. Thank you for the picture! I will 'blast' you with more good music next year! Laughing

by **VS126** Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:37 pm

carz wrote:so VS126, which rooms tickles your fancy most ?

All room sounds good. There is no bad sounding room.

Electrocompaniet sounds excellent.

I enjoyed JoKI's system, short of offering to buy his crystals.

Joseph Audio speaker at Lawrence/Vincent's room also gets my vote.

by mugenfoo Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:53 pm

There was a very bad sounding room, and it was the hotel toilet on Level 4. Full of echoes and overly long reverb times. The sound was a total "washout & flushed over" there. Like something nasty going down the tubes.

jocolor

by brabusm Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:59 pm

Amanda McBroom's Dreaming

htkaki wrote:
joeling wrote:Top of my list but not in order

1) German Physiks - for dynamics + stereotype shattering (for me at least) omnis imaging capabilities

2) Harbeth P3 - I like it enough to buy a pair. So finally I can say I'm a Harbeth owner

3) STAX 007 - put my money where my mouth is...

honourable mention :

1) Bryston + PMC
2) Jo Ki's room (did not spend enough time to make a thorough judgement but so many people)
3) Triangle room - I sought out the CD played through that system
4) ARC + Sonus Faber combo - Pity it was playing lounge music but I'm an ARC fan boy
5) The Xavian from Eastern Europe also sounded nice
6) Budget system - The small Castle + Cambridge combo sounded way better than they should

Regards,
Joe Ling
Thank you for making Triangle in the list.

I believe the CD that you looking for sounds something like this :

I'm 21 and I'm five foot nine

Got a face and a body to change your mind

I'm a picture so fine to see,

Whenever I walk the streets of town

The men and the boys they all fall down

Saying " Darling, come home with me,

Oh, pretty darling, come home with me"

by **htkaki** Wed Aug 03, 2011 7:33 am

mugenfoo wrote:There was a very bad sounding room, and it was the hotel toilet on Level 4. Full of echoes and overly long reverb times. The sound was a total "washout & flushed over" there. Like something nasty going down the tubes.

Reminds me of our system last year. The deep LFE was actually 'accumulated' in the toilet near the staircase to level 3. When I went in there, the whole toilet literally shaking. The staff looked around in bewilderment lol!

But, I can't tell my customer to go to toilet to listen to LFE. jocolor

by kkthen Wed Aug 03, 2011 10:02 am

my favorited system is audio note. Htkaki's triangle cello simple system also draw my attention . Good Job, Htkaki. Although the system still facing some room acoustic problem for some CD.

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