Malaysia - Negeri Sembilan Audiophiles Group

It was raining cats and dogs yesterday. Glad that we managed to get the party to go on.

So many nice songs and some 80's disco tracks too. Ah.. And that red sexy vinyl spinning.

500 replies...NSAG on fire!

Not to mention those on the sideline to observe day in day out!

As usual, my wishlist has grown a bit longer after the session. I gotta say thanks for giving me the vinyl, which has the songs that i am looking for and helping me to get Achtung Baby.

Thanks, guys!!

Painting the town red!-


...and the rest of the line up....

He needs a 'stronger' amplifier for those speakers.

Sometimes young people dont listen...aiyah!

Yalah. Maybe some special poisoning can help him 'see the light'. Need to rope in all of you guys in NSAG, then the grandmaster poisoner (MF) and the grand sifu poisoner (SJ) to help.

WongKN wrote:He needs a 'stronger' amplifier for those speakers.

Actually, here is a new theory to try out.

Since there are both the short and tall apogee speakers in the same room, the owner just needs to wire up BOTH the Apogees in a SERIES configuration. Then the effective impedance would become 6 + 6 = 12 Ohms nominal ! As a 12 Ohm combo-speaker, any dingbat tube amp would also be able to drive them already!

Problem Solved !!!

WongKN wrote:He needs a 'stronger' amplifier for those speakers.

Like your new toy?

Sometimes young people dont listen...aiyah!

Maybe the main reason being wallet not thick enough lah

The sneak peek on concert today is something we may do in one of the gathering. Just watch and relax. We need someone to sponsor red wine. Unfortunately, mikapoh is too far away. Sigh...

Actually, here is a new theory to try out.

Since there are both
the short and tall apogee speakers in the same room, the owner just
needs to wire up BOTH the Apogees in a SERIES configuration. Then the
effective impedance would become 6 + 6 = 12 Ohms nominal ! As a 12 Ohm
combo-speaker, any dingbat tube amp would also be able to drive them
already!

Problem Solved !!!

Betul juga

Why my name suddenly pops up?

NO worry, I am still observing and reading this thread with great interest but in a camouflage way to follow closely on your tails. No wine sponsorship but moral support...

Not far too, just less than 2-hour flight.

WongKN wrote:Yalah. Maybe some special poisoning can help him 'see the light'. Need to rope in all of you guys in NSAG, then the grandmaster poisoner (MF) and the grand sifu poisoner (SJ) to help.

Huh?? Almost the whole battalion just to poison one beginner with low budget? Waste of resources lah..
It might be a budget issue or the owner also understands that there are other issues that should be tackled first.

Do everything together la. Borrow money from you know who la.

Chettiar? Is the money-lender legit?

Anyway, this week might be off the menu. If there is a special TT, I'll let you guys now.

cyh, do you want a sneak peek on U2 360 at Rose Bowl?

mikapoh, coz I know you stash quite a number of very fine wine lah That's just to bait you out.

cyh, do you want a sneak peek on U2 360 at Rose Bowl?

When can i drop by?

mugenfoo wrote:

WongKN wrote:He needs a 'stronger' amplifier for those speakers.

Actually, here is a new theory to try out.

Since there are both the short and tall apogee speakers in the same room, the owner just needs to wire up BOTH the Apogees in a SERIES configuration. Then the effective impedance would become 6 + 6 = 12 Ohms nominal ! As a 12 Ohm combo-speaker, any dingbat tube amp would also be able to drive them already!

Problem Solved !!!

Please don't try this, there are more than just halving the impedance when you paired the Apogee, check you amp if it can handle the load first.

car o scope wrote:

WongKN wrote:Yalah. Maybe some special poisoning can help him 'see the light'. Need to rope in all of you guys in NSAG, then the grandmaster poisoner (MF) and the grand sifu poisoner (SJ) to help.

Huh?? Almost the whole battalion just to poison one beginner with low budget? Waste of resources lah..
It might be a budget issue or the owner also understands that there are other issues that should be tackled first.

Yes, you are right; the rack needs to go. I was using the same rack when I started hifi, it slowed down my audio journey . Don't make the same mistake like I did.

Cheers, Jo Ki

Jo, can you elaborate on how is the rack slow down your audio journey? Does rack make a significant impact?



Thanks.

Hi Mikapoh,

Hifi racks is where every of your equipment is sitting, it is rather important to ensure it is doing a job more than mere lifting the equipment above the ground for your maid to sweep the floor below it . A misconception I had.

Rack in hifi application to me has a lot to do with resonance & vibration control in the chain, handling all the 4-modes of vibrations.

We have high tendency to overlook the importance of rack simply it contributes "no sound" to our audio system, but little do we know that rack could stifle our system's performance. Give it a good rack, volume of our pre drops yet we get more dynamics & energy, less lethargic too. Our amp would be more happy to sing for us.

Regards, Jo Ki

Mikapoh wrote:Jo, can you elaborate on how is the rack slow down your audio journey? Does rack make a significant impact?



Thanks.

could be because sometimes, bad racks get in the way of u walking around and may even cause u to trip over them and fall down.... that's why...

Maybe it's time to look at rack more seriously.

Thanks Jo for the tips.

Joki wrote "Rack in hifi application to me has a lot to do with resonance & vibration control in the chain, handling all the 4-modes of vibrations."

Joki - can you explain the 4 modes of vibrations ?

cyh wrote:

cyh, do you want a sneak peek on U2 360 at Rose Bowl?

When can i drop by?

Weekend or Sunday.

rsbn came on Wed as soon as WongKN left. We talked about this and he's happy with it. We shall do a full fledge concert in one of our NSAG gathering.

I will tune my system for that purpose. We will... we will ROCK you!

btw, have you watch Bon Jovi concert BD? This BD recording is a bit soft.

Yea htkaki,
maybe can drop by this weekend.......errr.....Tubey Wong have got a meter this weekend for us to check our earthing. Again a new toy and potentially need more money to spend after checking?
The Bon Jovi BD not yet...kids dominating the Dune right now.....

Ok, that's interesting. When will Tubey Wong coming over?

Earthing check done.....


...at x10 ohm..not very good, but.....

...potential is there....likewise, htkaki....

..his potential is even greater!.....

So rsbn...what are we going to do next??
Thanks Tubey Wong for the test equipment.
Next week menu...concert!

cyh wrote:
So rsbn...what are we going to do next??

You know I know; say you say me

BTW, this album is good. Jess Lee boleh, Seremban boleh, NS boleh, Malaysia boleh

rsbn589 wrote:

cyh wrote:
So rsbn...what are we going to do next??

You know I know; say you say me

BTW, this album is good. Jess Lee boleh, Seremban boleh, NS boleh, Malaysia boleh

Negeri Seremban memang boleh, just won the M'sia Cup!

carz wrote:Joki wrote "Rack in hifi application to me has a lot to do with resonance & vibration control in the chain, handling all the 4-modes of vibrations."

Joki - can you explain the 4 modes of vibrations ?

Hi Carz,

There are vibration in active mode...
1. structural borne from speakers' spike to floor travelling upward to your racks and to your equipment.
2. self generated vibration within your equipment, from transformer, spinning CD, etc...
3. vibration generated by your other equipment sitting on the same rack but on different platform affecting each other like power conditioner, power supply sitting on lower rack marring the equipment above it...
And more passively,
4. Sound energy propagate in air borne mode inducing resonance causing our equipment to vibrates. this is particularly acute in a more powerful speaker system.

Apart from the abovementioned 4 modes, there is also the element of physical sciences, the metallurgy of material of racks related to the density or mass vs. equipment that it carries. Alongside this, there is gravitation load transfer paths back to mother Earth, all these affect our system sounding.

Jo Ki

Thanks Jo for the explanation

Heard there's an action item of moving the 360° Tour from Rose Bowl to Wembley this Friday. Crew members need to start the tuning and do preparations.

thinking of bringing my records along, for autographs......

Have been paying much attention in listening to music and ignored much about the dust below the racks. Took the opportunity to do some clean up during the replacement holiday. Was a good exercise too, especially when carrying fragile things around.

Hmmmm.....

Have been paying much attention in listening to music and ignored much
about the dust below the racks. Took the opportunity to do some clean up
during the replacement holiday. Was a good exercise too, especially
when carrying fragile things around.

Ai yah! Buy a 'robot' to do your 'dirty' work lah

cyh,

The robot's budget has been 'sacrificed' for the new toy.

Your new toy 5 figure?

.... if it is converted to Taiwanese currencies.

It's locally made and there ain't any precious stones in it.

Looks like Fri night is vintage night.....need to look for music for uncles

It's locally made and there ain't any precious stones in it.

wei! can go to Wah Chan to 'install' mah!

cyh wrote:Looks like Fri night is vintage night.....need to look for music for uncles

Ella, Cat Stevens, Carpenters and Tony Bennett can be included in the menu. By the way, I got a feeling that one or two tracks of Danny Summer will be played.

Sure Danny Summer will be on show. Perhaps 1 or 2 tracks from 1st, 2nd & 3rd Albums. Jess Lee will be on board too. Bring your Collective Soul, Nirvana, MJ, U2, Red Hot C.P. CDs etc. Let see whether this so-call vintage set up can really rock or not. NS

rsbn589 wrote:Sure Danny Summer will be on show. Perhaps 1 or 2 tracks from 1st, 2nd & 3rd Albums. Jess Lee will be on board too. Bring your Collective Soul, Nirvana, MJ, U2, Red Hot C.P. CDs etc. Let see whether this so-call vintage set up can really rock or not. NS

The Collective Soul album is very good. Played the whole album yesterday to give the Minor some exercises after long hibernation.

cyh and rsbn,

When are you guys going to do the earthing? I'll check my electrician contractor on the price since COS also intend to do some wiring.

I wonder whether we are going to listen to some Winter Sonata or Dae Jang Geum OST for this coming Friday.

rsbn, we are waiting for your upcoming new toy lah.

htkaki wrote:

rsbn, we are waiting for your upcoming new toy lah.

Perhaps this modern "Malaysia Boleh" front source would ring the bell...

I was thinking of getting more power points for my room but haven't get it done till today. Too many things to do recently. I was busy playing around with some positioning and arrangements of 'furnitures'. PAssigned some old stuffs back to duty and need to do experiments later.

Sorry could not make last Fri session, a little under the weather. How did the British vs Japan shootout go?

cyh wrote:Sorry could not make last Fri session, a little under the weather. How did the British vs Japan shootout go?

I would say some handicap should be given to the Jap right before the start. The Brit might be a bit slow in terms of loading time and song selection but it has more body and presented us an easy listening session. The gain is a tad lower and need to crank up the volume. If the timing was right, the Brit would have compared against the more dynamic American. Anyway, we can roughly guess the outcome even if the timing wasn't right.

We did switch back to the Jap for the final few tracks. There is nothing wrong with the Jap and it just sounds thinner than the Brit. Given the price gap, the Jap is a very good buy indeed. After that night, I have started to search for one or two albums that were played that night.

Hi rsbn,
How's the 'swiss killer' cd player doing? Do need to reconsider the swiss player? Or do you have any regrets selling your americano?