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Re: Harbeth speakers - discussion thread
Dear Sifus,
I am looking forward to to a pair of used HL5. Any advice that i can get in terms of the sound in comparison to the new Compact 7? All advice is welcome.
Thanks.
I am looking forward to to a pair of used HL5. Any advice that i can get in terms of the sound in comparison to the new Compact 7? All advice is welcome.
Thanks.
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Re: Harbeth speakers - discussion thread
Any luck so far looking for a pair? Between the 2 mentioned, both equally good sounding, it's a matter of preference. The problem starts when u want to have both! .
Best bet, listen for yourself at Sam's place, Tropical Audio. Sam maybe able to find a pair for u, if only u ask him! If u do drop by Sam's place, give me a howler, can yumcha, I stay nearby his place.
Best bet, listen for yourself at Sam's place, Tropical Audio. Sam maybe able to find a pair for u, if only u ask him! If u do drop by Sam's place, give me a howler, can yumcha, I stay nearby his place.
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Re: Harbeth speakers - discussion thread
wywong wrote:Dear Sifus,
I am looking forward to to a pair of used HL5. Any advice that i can get in terms of the sound in comparison to the new Compact 7? All advice is welcome.
Thanks.
Dear wywong - if u able to listen the comparison between HL Compact 7es3 and HL5 let share the outcome here...im also wondering is there any big improvement compare to the old version of Compact 7 for instance HL Compact model
Thanks
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Hi Uncle Vic, plan to drop by at Sam's place coming monday around 4pm, want to meet up there?
Hi Fizi, hopefully i get to try out both the 7 and 5 this coming Monday, sure will give my opinion in due course....cheers
Hi Fizi, hopefully i get to try out both the 7 and 5 this coming Monday, sure will give my opinion in due course....cheers
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Re: Harbeth speakers - discussion thread
Hi wong, if you interested on Harbeth 7ES-3 cherry color, i d very mint condition almost new> Customer bought but having financial issue - need to sell. Interested call me /sms 012-4255023 Pg
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Re: Harbeth speakers - discussion thread
how much does a new harbeth 7ES-3 cost?
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Re: Harbeth speakers - discussion thread
hi5papa wrote:how much does a new harbeth 7ES-3 cost?
It should be in the region of RM8k ~ RM8.5k. Call Tropical Audio for the price & demo
No harm to make appointment with them too.
Cheers.
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oracle wrote:Hi wong, if you interested on Harbeth 7ES-3 cherry color, i d very mint condition almost new> Customer bought but having financial issue - need to sell. Interested call me /sms 012-4255023 Pg
Hifipapa...if i not mistaken Rm7k plus...try call
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If not mistaken where last seen at KLAV 2011, Harbeth prices have increased by some percentage. Of course best to check with Tropical Audio for accurate price.
What to do? Currency exchange go down, goods price increase. Our currency appreciate, also price increase. Either way you're screwed, because we can't produce such items here.
What to do? Currency exchange go down, goods price increase. Our currency appreciate, also price increase. Either way you're screwed, because we can't produce such items here.
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fizi wrote:oracle wrote:Hi wong, if you interested on Harbeth 7ES-3 cherry color, i d very mint condition almost new> Customer bought but having financial issue - need to sell. Interested call me /sms 012-4255023 Pg
Hifipapa...if i not mistaken Rm7k plus...try call
that day i enquire for a neat speakers ..cost about the same in RM7K region...i got feedback from the seller that speaker really kicking assh..anybody can share ? from the spec it looks small and slim..can it shake the floor ka? i am deeply in doubt..
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if u want floor-shakers, neither Neat nor Harbeth are the right candidates for the job.
You'd be better off going for Cerwin-Vega! or some big cabinet JBL speakers.
You'd be better off going for Cerwin-Vega! or some big cabinet JBL speakers.
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Re: Harbeth speakers - discussion thread
mugenfoo wrote:if u want floor-shakers, neither Neat nor Harbeth are the right candidates for the job.
You'd be better off going for Cerwin-Vega! or some big cabinet JBL speakers.
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Re: Harbeth speakers - discussion thread
[quote="fizi"]
True, Harbeths wont shake your room, but they'll sing.
mugenfoo wrote:if u want floor-shakers, neither Neat nor Harbeth are the right candidates for the job.
You'd be better off going for Cerwin-Vega! or some big cabinet JBL speakers.
True, Harbeths wont shake your room, but they'll sing.
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Re: Harbeth speakers - discussion thread
Seems that Alan Shaw has had a change of heart recently regarding the use of proper amps to drive his speakers...
http://www.harbeth.co.uk/usergroup/showthread.php?1444-Getting-a-3D-holographic-presentation-from-40.1&p=16424#post16424
http://www.harbeth.co.uk/usergroup/showthread.php?1444-Getting-a-3D-holographic-presentation-from-40.1&p=16424#post16424
Alan Shaw at the H.U.G wrote:
150W available to drive M40.1 and a first class amplifier brand reputation says to me that this is home setup is likely to deliver a great sonic experience with oodles of power reserve for those thrilling climaxes.
Consider this imperfect analogy: the (incandescent) light bulb lighting your room may well have a 150W rating. That will fill every corner of your room with bright light. Remove that bulb and fit a 15W (one tenth of the power) and what then? The room is miserably dark: there are deep shadows in the corners. You cannot even read. You are stumbling around in the gloom. Why would you want to live like that when you are advised that 50W is necessary to throw the minimum light into the environment?
I don't just dream-up the minimum amplifier requirements for the fun of it. I am aware that if I suggest a minimum amplifier power rating that's too high, those customers with smaller amps may be frightened off Harbeth and select another brand which emphasises higher efficiency. Conversely, I am aware that to produce a reasonable sound pressure level that gives a satisfying quasi-real life experience a certain amount of power is necessary. So the minimum power amp ratings I've listed in the brochure are really minimums bearing in mind that you should interpret the manufacturer's amplifier power outputs with a very large degree of scepticism. Outside the lab, many amps are unlikely to be able to deliver their rated power on music when driving real-world speakers.
What tube fans don't realise (and I've heard SHL5s driven by 300B 7W tubes and sounding good) is that when you connect a 'scope across the 7W amp's output terminals and look at the music waveform, it shows significant clipping. And that clipping may be present for 25%, 50% or even 100% of the time. That shouldn't be a surprise at all: 7W is a minuscule amount of power. So how is it that those users are satisfied with what they hear? Simple - the tube amp (and I stress this, the situation with a transistor amp is totally different) clips is a sonically benign way. In other words, it runs out of power in a way which does not immediately reveal itself to the human ear. It doesn't sound hard or coarse when clipping: it sounds fat and warm. And that's all part of the magic sonic experience of small (tube) amps.
So - rule of thumb: give yourself a fighting chance of high fidelity sound at home: have a sensible amount of amplifier power available at all times.
Alan A. Shaw
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Harbeth Audio UK
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Re: Harbeth speakers - discussion thread
Come, let's hook up my 5watt powerhouse to some Harbeths readily available for some fat warm clipping!!
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Re: Harbeth speakers - discussion thread
Hi harbeth fan i was back again , hv your match harbeth speaker with sugden compare to quad ? Itch now
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khlim_77 wrote:Hi harbeth fan i was back again , hv your match harbeth speaker with sugden compare to quad ? Itch now
Recently there is a member wanna sell sugden pre/power combo...if im stay nearby KL i will try meet that guy and do some audition but as hotelier im quite busy during school holiday period so hmmmmm...try google harbeth user group forum maybe there is some input on this..
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Re: Harbeth speakers - discussion thread
Harbeth speakers do match well with higher powered solid state amps because it helps to overcome/control the slight looseness of the bass, that Harbeth do have in order to have the 'warm' sounding bass. Seriously doubt if Sugden pre/power is a correct match - Sugden is also warm sounding. From a long time Harbeth user - Monitor 30s
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Re: Harbeth speakers - discussion thread
Hi khlim,
i'm currently using sugden a21a to push my p3 es2 with xtender, pretty happy with it for time being. Never listen to my set up driven by quad, so i can't comment on that. However if you are into vocal i believe tube will be a better bet.
Previously was using HL compact, the a21a just don't have enough power to make the speaker sing.
Maybe you would like to share what harbeth speaker & which quad model that you have in mind
i'm currently using sugden a21a to push my p3 es2 with xtender, pretty happy with it for time being. Never listen to my set up driven by quad, so i can't comment on that. However if you are into vocal i believe tube will be a better bet.
Previously was using HL compact, the a21a just don't have enough power to make the speaker sing.
Maybe you would like to share what harbeth speaker & which quad model that you have in mind
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Re: Harbeth speakers - discussion thread
Hi guys ...if anybody wanna listen to harbeth and quad set up just go to Tropical Audio showroom <------ Typical harbeth and quad combo
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Re: Harbeth speakers - discussion thread
hi guys, have anyone heard of the ls 5/12a before from harbeth. would u mind sharing some of your experience.
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alfred wrote:hi guys, have anyone heard of the ls 5/12a before from harbeth. would u mind sharing some of your experience.
So, my dear Alfred, finally you join the Harbeth Club eh .... though the driver is from Dynaudio, it is still a Harbeth ...
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Re: Harbeth speakers - discussion thread
Hi , pls advise for the option below to match my cdp & harbeth
Cdp is marant cd 63ki, harbeth hlp3 speaker
quad pre 34 + 405.2
quad pre 44 + 405
Passive pre + quad 606
Cdp is marant cd 63ki, harbeth hlp3 speaker
quad pre 34 + 405.2
quad pre 44 + 405
Passive pre + quad 606
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Re: Harbeth speakers - discussion thread
So you're going down the vintage Quad amplification route?
I believe a compact integrated amplifier like the Exposure 2010s2 or 3010s2 would make decent work of the Harbeths. They're current model amps, powerful, sonically sweet and dynamic, plus easy on the pocket.
I believe a compact integrated amplifier like the Exposure 2010s2 or 3010s2 would make decent work of the Harbeths. They're current model amps, powerful, sonically sweet and dynamic, plus easy on the pocket.
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Hi Jedi. Thank's for your advise.
I did some audition on 3010s and not really like it
So i think vintage stil my cup of tea
I did some audition on 3010s and not really like it
So i think vintage stil my cup of tea
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khlim_77 wrote:Hi , pls advise for the option below to match my cdp & harbeth
Cdp is marant cd 63ki, harbeth hlp3 speaker
quad pre 34 + 405.2
quad pre 44 + 405
Passive pre + quad 606
Hi khlim....any quad above will do the job well done (except the passive,i not say its not good but better be sure they can match well) my self use 66/606mk2 combo with C7
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Hi fizi ,
Notice that u own b4 quad 405 & 606 , Can you sharing abt this two amp
Study the review notice that many 405 hv to replace cap & some transistor
Will it worth compare to 606 ?
Notice that u own b4 quad 405 & 606 , Can you sharing abt this two amp
Study the review notice that many 405 hv to replace cap & some transistor
Will it worth compare to 606 ?
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khlim_77 wrote:Hi fizi ,
Notice that u own b4 quad 405 & 606 , Can you sharing abt this two amp
Study the review notice that many 405 hv to replace cap & some transistor
Will it worth compare to 606 ?
Due im using C7 i choose 606mk2 for more power....if no humming,sound not balance or distortion not necessary to change any cap or transistor .... if u have extra budget and to get fresh or like new sound yes this is applicable to all vintage equipment because the component will dry and have time limit...but as long the amp is working good what for we need to change it...let it be original because to get replacement we need to use new brand cap or transistor..is no point to replace NOS parts because even the component is not in use it still melting....
1 of hifi shop in ipoh have this 405mk2 try nego for the price 0165316308 Uncle Chiau
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kh lim....decide on the pre amp already....im using 66 because of the remote ....34 or 44 also good both got their own character
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A recent review of the Harbeth P3... http://www.hifizine.com/2011/12/harbeth-p3esr/ Enjoy!! Happy Holidays!
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JediSavant wrote:A recent review of the Harbeth P3... http://www.hifizine.com/2011/12/harbeth-p3esr/ Enjoy!! Happy Holidays!
nice to read at.....tq
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I just heard this puppy leashed up to a 400watt monster amp... shivers down me spine...
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JediSavant wrote:I just heard this puppy leashed up to a 400watt monster amp... shivers down me spine...
Define "this puppy" ? The Harbeth P3ESR loudspeaker?
Which crazy psychotic nut-job would drive Harbeth P3ESR with a 400w monster amp !!!????
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Hi fizi
I going to collect my 44 & 405 soon , how can i check this vintage amp especially on the cap part ?
Merry christmas to all harbeth fan
I going to collect my 44 & 405 soon , how can i check this vintage amp especially on the cap part ?
Merry christmas to all harbeth fan
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mugenfoo wrote:JediSavant wrote:I just heard this puppy leashed up to a 400watt monster amp... shivers down me spine...
Define "this puppy" ? The Harbeth P3ESR loudspeaker?
Which crazy psychotic nut-job would drive Harbeth P3ESR with a 400w monster amp !!!????
Only a Jedi would have the courage to do so.
The vocals and mids were fantastic, right where the magic is. With a bit of work, I'm confident that imaging and focusing would have been even tighter. Part of the to-do-list for another day.
Paul Simon's Graceland worked well, but I'd love to hear some small ensemble jazz through such a set up. It's amusing, it's damn entertaining, and it was a privilege.
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Hi all, moderneagle checking in. Still running me compact 7 with 'em olde Quads
Happy holidays all.
Happy holidays all.
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khlim_77 wrote:Hi fizi
I going to collect my 44 & 405 soon , how can i check this vintage amp especially on the cap part ?
Merry christmas to all harbeth fan
test it 1st....google internal picture then compare is there any major different on parts....after set up all equipments try cranking up the volume control without playing any source and here is there any noise or funny sound from the speaker....if any,u need service both of the unit and replace some small small resistor or caps already leaks routine exercise for vintage amp
good luck
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moderneagle wrote:Hi all, moderneagle checking in. Still running me compact 7 with 'em olde Quads
Happy holidays all.
sure enjoying 66+606 combo
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moderneagle wrote:Hi all, moderneagle checking in. Still running me compact 7 with 'em olde Quads
Happy holidays all.
Whoaaaa.... where did u just fly in from? Thought the big bird went migratory already! Anyways, Happy holidays to you too !
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If really like Harbeth sound do stay away from the 5/12a due to the limitaion of the mid/bass driver on it. Any old P3 onwards is much better. The 5/12a was a failure.
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Mahler 9 when u said limitation on the mid/bass driver would u care to elaborate more n what system have u heard before driving this 5/12a?
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The famous Harbeth sound of today, beside BBC heritage and superior xo network, is mainly due to Alan's excellent Radial cone mid/bass driver. The 5/12a mid/bass driver eat detail and poor power efficiency. It's short life in the market and not available anymore. I heard it few time back in late 1990s and early 2000s can not rmbr other gears thought, It's carry Harbeth tag but without Harbeth sound. In fact, it is not really a product from BBC heritage even it had LS in the model name. The main failure in 5/12a was due to the mid/bass driver even with excellent xo design could not help much. If need small tiny Harbeth, any old P3 is far superior than it and best still the P3ESR with 5in Radial2 cone.
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u mean the p3 would have a bigger soundstage then the 5/12a, a richer mid voice then it, with deeper bass control then the 5/12a and the p3 would sound smoother then 5/12a?
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What i can say is p3 sound better in term of tonality, musicality and right/correct than ls5/12a. But it is my own experience you may feel another way. what i trying to say is who need a true harbeth sound shd not consider the ls5/12a.
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Re: Harbeth speakers - discussion thread
Mahler 9 wrote:What i can say is p3 sound better in term of tonality, musicality and right/correct than ls5/12a. But it is my own experience you may feel another way. what i trying to say is who need a true harbeth sound shd not consider the ls5/12a.
Maybe one man's meat is another man's poison. When i last have a listening session at Steven's place (use gear seller), the LS5/12a driven with the ML was pretty impressive (big & wide sound stage, mid range to die for, there was some clean & impressive bass from the smallish book shelf) ... aye, it might not have the harbeth sound but P3 is definitely not in the same league with LS5/12A. IMHO only.
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Re: Harbeth speakers - discussion thread
alfred wrote:u mean the p3 would have a bigger soundstage then the 5/12a, a richer mid voice then it, with deeper bass control then the 5/12a and the p3 would sound smoother then 5/12a?
Hi Alfred,
What Mahler 9 is trying to say is that the 5/12 does not bear any resemblance to the typical BBC or Harbeth sound where accuracy of tone, timbre & musicality is highly prized. He's not implying that the P3 have a bigger soundstage or deeper bass than the 5/12. Its a quality vs quantity thingy. If you want your spks to excel on hifi attributes like big soundstage, super deep & tight bass with highs only bats can hear, then Harbeth is not for you. If you value an honest & true midrange with a highly musical, natural & non fatiguing sound, then this is where Harbeth excels. Having said that, if one likes the 5/12, then he'd be better off buying Dynaudio spks as the 5/12 uses Dynaudio drivers and sounds like a typical Dynaudio.
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Re: Harbeth speakers - discussion thread
SHL-5 wrote:alfred wrote:u mean the p3 would have a bigger soundstage then the 5/12a, a richer mid voice then it, with deeper bass control then the 5/12a and the p3 would sound smoother then 5/12a?
Hi Alfred,
What Mahler 9 is trying to say is that the 5/12 does not bear any resemblance to the typical BBC or Harbeth sound where accuracy of tone, timbre & musicality is highly prized. He's not implying that the P3 have a bigger soundstage or deeper bass than the 5/12. Its a quality vs quantity thingy. If you want your spks to excel on hifi attributes like big soundstage, super deep & tight bass with highs only bats can hear, then Harbeth is not for you. If you value an honest & true midrange with a highly musical, natural & non fatiguing sound, then this is where Harbeth excels. Having said that, if one likes the 5/12, then he'd be better off buying Dynaudio spks as the 5/12 uses Dynaudio drivers and sounds like a typical Dynaudio.
Dear SHL5, just out of curiosity and since you are saying that most typical Dynaudio speaker can produce sound similar to that of a LS5/12A - would appreciate it if you can recommended one of such Dynaudio book shelves (with sound and price matching the LS5/12A) as i am too looking for such smallish speaker with such 'Hifi attributes'. FYI, i too have listen to a number of Dynaudio speaker under RM10k before but sadly couldn't find one with such sound. Thanks in advance for your guidance.
One man's meat is another man's poison = one man called it airy high while another called it highs that only a bats can hear = one man called it natural & non fatiguing sound but another man find it dull & lifeless. That's life ...
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Re: Harbeth speakers - discussion thread
Hi kychoo99,
Afaik, the 5/12 uses similar drivers as the Dynaudio BM series. Probably a BM5? The old contour series should also be similar.
Afaik, the 5/12 uses similar drivers as the Dynaudio BM series. Probably a BM5? The old contour series should also be similar.
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Re: Harbeth speakers - discussion thread
khlim_77 wrote:Hi fizi
I going to collect my 44 & 405 soon , how can i check this vintage amp especially on the cap part ?
Merry christmas to all harbeth fan
Hi khlim....any new updates on ur new amplifications
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